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   In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >   
   >>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>At first I was going to respond to the whole thing then I   
   realized most   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of it was idiocy like not knowing how disease spreads and   
   denial of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all the scholarly work that says there was a pre-columbian   
   population   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of 50 million to 100 million, 80 o 90 percent of which   
   were killed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>by European diseseses.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you noticed your own delusions.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No, I quoted three scholarly sources, all of which said   
   essentially   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the same thing.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I am derided in any of your 'scholarly   
   sources' unless   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you wrote them yourself.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No, but you certainly are contradicted.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how is that, chimp?  What did I write (not what you read,   
   what I   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote) that they 'contradict'.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>That the indiginous peoples were not wiped out by European   
   diseases ...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I said.  Go read it again.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, you did, several times.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Liar.  I'm not responsible for what you, in your immense stupidity,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> substitute for what I wrote.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Liar, liar, pants on fire...   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Let's get this straight.  I didn't say what you claim I said and *I*   
   >>>>>>>>> am a liar?  Yeah, right....   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out   
   >>>>>>>>by European diseases?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Actually, no, I haven't.  What I've said is that there was a big   
   >>>>>>> native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of   
   >>>>>>> Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot   
   >>>>>>> be known with certainty because it occurred outside the view of anyone   
   >>>>>>> who would have recorded it and by the time those folks who would have   
   >>>>>>> recorded it got there the die off was over.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Yeah, sure.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Except for the minor issue that the die off continued during the   
   >>>>>>colonial era and was noticed and recorded by a lot of people.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Not according to your own cites.  What was noticed was the empty   
   >>>>> country.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>... and that there were few people in pre-columbian Americas.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I said.  Go read it again.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, you did, several times.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Liar.  I'm not responsible for what you, in your immense stupidity,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> substitute for what I wrote.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Liar, liar, pants on fire...   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Let's get this straight.  I didn't say what you claim I said and *I*   
   >>>>>>>>> am a liar?  Yeah, right....   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out   
   >>>>>>>>by European diseases?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Actually, no, I haven't.  What I've said is that there was a big   
   >>>>>>> native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of   
   >>>>>>> Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot   
   >>>>>>> be known with certainty because it occurred outside the view of anyone   
   >>>>>>> who would have recorded it and by the time those folks who would have   
   >>>>>>> recorded it got there the die off was over.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Yeah, sure.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>Except for the minor issue that the die off continued during the   
   >>>>>>colonial era and was noticed and recorded by a lot of people.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Not according to your own cites.  What was noticed was the empty   
   >>>>> country.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Why ask such a silly question when you said it several times?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because I knew when you said it that what you came back with   
   wouldn't   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> be what I said.  You really don't handle English very well at   
   all, do   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> you?  Let me help you out just a bit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> What I said was something like "many of the native peoples' died   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> before they ever met a European".   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>Weasle wording; the mass die off started with the Europeans.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> It's not "weasle workding", you stupid bastard.  Words mean what   
   they   
   >>>>>>>>>>> mean.  Read what people write, not what your asshole personality   
   wants   
   >>>>>>>>>>> them to have said.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>The mass die off started with the Europeans.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> It's not "weasel wording", you stupid bastard.  Words mean what they   
   >>>>>>>>> mean.  Learn to read what people write, not what your asshole   
   >>>>>>>>> personality wants them to have said.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out   
   >>>>>>>>by European diseases?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Actually, no, I haven't.  What I've said is that there was a big   
   >>>>>>> native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of   
      
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