XPost: sci.astro, sci.physics, sci.space.policy   
   From: fjmccall@gmail.com   
      
   jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
      
   >In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>In sci.physics Fred J. McCall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>At first I was going to respond to the whole thing then I   
   realized most   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of it was idiocy like not knowing how disease spreads and   
   denial of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all the scholarly work that says there was a pre-columbian   
   population   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of 50 million to 100 million, 80 o 90 percent of which were   
   killed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>by European diseseses.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you noticed your own delusions.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No, I quoted three scholarly sources, all of which said   
   essentially   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the same thing.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't believe I am derided in any of your 'scholarly   
   sources' unless   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you wrote them yourself.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No, but you certainly are contradicted.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how is that, chimp?  What did I write (not what you read,   
   what I   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote) that they 'contradict'.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>That the indiginous peoples were not wiped out by European   
   diseases ...   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I said.  Go read it again.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>Yes, you did, several times.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Liar.  I'm not responsible for what you, in your immense stupidity,   
   >>>>>>>>>> substitute for what I wrote.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Liar, liar, pants on fire...   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Let's get this straight.  I didn't say what you claim I said and *I*   
   >>>>>>>> am a liar?  Yeah, right....   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out   
   >>>>>>>by European diseases?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Actually, no, I haven't.  What I've said is that there was a big   
   >>>>>> native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of   
   >>>>>> Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot   
   >>>>>> be known with certainty because it occurred outside the view of anyone   
   >>>>>> who would have recorded it and by the time those folks who would have   
   >>>>>> recorded it got there the die off was over.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Yeah, sure.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Except for the minor issue that the die off continued during the   
   >>>>>colonial era and was noticed and recorded by a lot of people.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Not according to your own cites.  What was noticed was the empty   
   >>>> country.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>... and that there were few people in pre-columbian Americas.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Not what I said.  Go read it again.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>Yes, you did, several times.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Liar.  I'm not responsible for what you, in your immense stupidity,   
   >>>>>>>>>> substitute for what I wrote.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>Liar, liar, pants on fire...   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Let's get this straight.  I didn't say what you claim I said and *I*   
   >>>>>>>> am a liar?  Yeah, right....   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out   
   >>>>>>>by European diseases?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Actually, no, I haven't.  What I've said is that there was a big   
   >>>>>> native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of   
   >>>>>> Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot   
   >>>>>> be known with certainty because it occurred outside the view of anyone   
   >>>>>> who would have recorded it and by the time those folks who would have   
   >>>>>> recorded it got there the die off was over.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Yeah, sure.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Except for the minor issue that the die off continued during the   
   >>>>>colonial era and was noticed and recorded by a lot of people.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Not according to your own cites.  What was noticed was the empty   
   >>>> country.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>Why ask such a silly question when you said it several times?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Because I knew when you said it that what you came back with   
   wouldn't   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> be what I said.  You really don't handle English very well at   
   all, do   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> you?  Let me help you out just a bit.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> What I said was something like "many of the native peoples' died   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> before they ever met a European".   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>Weasle wording; the mass die off started with the Europeans.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> It's not "weasle workding", you stupid bastard.  Words mean what   
   they   
   >>>>>>>>>> mean.  Read what people write, not what your asshole personality   
   wants   
   >>>>>>>>>> them to have said.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>The mass die off started with the Europeans.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It's not "weasel wording", you stupid bastard.  Words mean what they   
   >>>>>>>> mean.  Learn to read what people write, not what your asshole   
   >>>>>>>> personality wants them to have said.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>So you have never said that the indiginous peoples were not wiped out   
   >>>>>>>by European diseases?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Actually, no, I haven't.  What I've said is that there was a big   
   >>>>>> native die off that was coincident in time with the arrival of   
   >>>>>> Europeans in the New World and that the cause of that die off cannot   
      
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