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|    Mikkel Haaheim to All    |
|    Re: James S.A. Corey's answer to There A    |
|    22 Jul 16 08:20:54    |
      From: mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com              Something that always seems to be missed in these discussions. Precedent.       We ALREADY LIVE in the world where "stealth is impossible". Forget about       tracking rockets in space. We are talking about existing tech, why don't we       just track targets on land and in the air? There is no such thing as an       undetectable aircraft.We have the        tech to track every aircraft in existence. So why do we have aircraft that we       can't find for months after going missing? These aren't even the "stealth"       aircraft. We have the tech to put up satellites that cover every inch of the       Earth's surface. We have        cameras everywhere.        Every agrument we consider for why "there ain't no stealth in space" already       applies for anything on land or in the air. And yet...                     The F-117 is not invisible to radar, nor is it invisible to sight. It just       produces ery small radar returns, and is very hard to see (when flying at       night). Even though the engine exhaust is treated to reduce the exhaust       temperature, that exhaust is        still hotter than normal air, and so still detectable by IR. That, and NOTHING       hides the sound of a jet.       The reality is that the people arguing that "there ain't no stealth in space"       have no real understanding of what stealth actually is or how it is used. It       is not about not being detected. It is about not being NOTICED. Even then, it       is not an absolute.        The purpose of stealth is to offer time. Delaying detection limits the options       of response TO detection. Sometimes, it means having the situation       misanalysed, leading to an inappropriate response.              The other thing is, the arguments assume that tech is the only consideration.       You also have to consider available resources, the demand for those resources,       and how those resources are being used. You have to consider social and       political climate: there        is nothing preventing governments from putting cameras everywhere, and       collecting data from cameras everywhere; so where are all those cameras that       could prevent crime from going unpunished? Answer, not everyone wants those       cameras, and there is enough        opposition to stop governments from deploying them. Also consider context: if       you are not already expecting war or conflict, why put up sensor platforms to       track vessels?              If you REALLY want to know why the "there ain't no stealth in space" arument       fails, consider why it doesn't work NOW, on Earth. Every argument already       applies.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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