From: chakatfirepaw@gmail.com   
      
   On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 07:55:19 -0700, Mikkel Haaheim wrote:   
      
   > Le vendredi 22 juillet 2016 00:38:19 UTC+2, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw a   
   > écrit :   
   >   
   >> Which means one tiny orbital jink and you miss.   
   >   
   > Depends upon how many KKVs you have. "Buckshot" scattered KKVs covering   
   > tens of thousands of km can take very little mass and energy to deploy,   
   > but they will do the job, and there is no way of evading all of them.   
      
   This operation just keeps getting bigger and bigger.  You are now evenly   
   distributing billions, (covering a 10Mm radius at one KKV per hectare   
   takes ~30 billion KKVs), of KKV pellets and all you can guarantee is to   
   restrict it's ability to do long term avoidance.   
      
   >> I wasn't using the "any stealth technique you can use to try and hide   
   >> your ships will work better for the sensor platforms," counter.  I was   
   >> using "taking out the sensor platforms isn't as easy or effective as is   
   >> being assumed."   
   >   
   > No one is assuming that it is easy.   
      
   The guy I initially responded to did.  Furthermore, you did notice the   
   context of that remark, right?  That was pointing out that someone was   
   arguing against the wrong thing in his response to me.   
      
   >> Remember, knowing the location and orbit of something now only places   
   >> constraints on where it will be in a year.   
   >   
   > And tracking how much it has deviated in course over a couple years   
   > gives a fairly reliable stadnard of deviation of how much allowance has   
   > to be taken into account.   
      
   That would be part of those constraints.   
      
   >> And all you have to do is assume that you can undetectably compromise   
   >> multiple high-security computer systems that are going to be operated   
   >> in a way that reflects that such intrusion must be avoided at all   
   >> costs.   
   >   
   > As I said, no one said it would be easy. OTOH, having a few well place   
   > agents...   
      
   Which both sides will have and you can thus assume that your shots are   
   known.  Thus the war starts a couple years before your 'surprise' attack   
   on the sensor net.   
      
   >> Congratulations, you have noticed that looking for unpowered objects   
   >> that aren't thrusting using effectively no resources is hard.   
   >   
   > Time and patience. Take a big ball of rock. Dig a deep hole, with many   
   > smaller holes branching out. Fill those holes with attack resources.   
   > Give that big rock a slight nudge. A few years later, start activating   
   > your systems, and get ready to let fly.   
      
   So you are going to war with a ship a generation out of date.   
      
   The "little nudge and drift" plain fails because of the time scales   
   involved:  It either takes forever to get there or you need a lot more   
   than a little nudge.   
      
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