XPost: sci.space.policy, sci.physics   
   From: fjmccall@gmail.com   
      
   Serigo  wrote:   
      
   >On 10/12/2016 7:41 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:   
   >> Serigo  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On 10/12/2016 2:46 PM, Fred J. McCall wrote:   
   >>>> JF Mezei  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> >From a plant life point of view,  it si doubtful you could get plants to   
   >>>>> grow "outdoors". And if your plants are indoors, the CO2 they will get   
   >>>>> will come from humans, not outside air (since the indoor habitat will do   
   >>>>> everyuthing to keep that nasty CO2 out).   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Wrong.  CO2 from humans will go into scrubbers.   
   >>>   
   >>> wrong, no way to clean scrubbers on Mars.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Wrong.  Of course there is.  Just take them outside, heat them, and   
   >> take them back inside before they cool.   
   >>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It would be extremnely challenging to develop sustainable human presence   
   >>>>> on Mars of the type seen in Total Recall or even Babylon 5.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> For some moderate value of 'extremely'.   
   >>>   
   >>> it is still too costly, and there is no payoff, just rocks and sand in a   
   >>> vaccum   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> We already established that your "rocks and sand in a vacuum" is   
   >> false.   
   >>   
   >   
   >rong, it is not a true or false game.   
   >   
      
   Of course it is.  It's either a vacuum or it isn't.   
      
   >   
   >Compaired to Earths atmosphere, Mars is more like outter space, a vacuum.   
   >   
      
   Not the definition of 'vacuum'.  By your definition Creed, Colorado,   
   is a 'vacuum', since the atmospheric pressure there is closer to space   
   than it is to sea level.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The problem with Mars is that initial settlers will be dependent on   
   >>>>> Earth for ALL their supplies for a long time, and it will be even longer   
   >>>>> time before they start to have ability to manufacture goods locally from   
   >>>>> locally mined iron/aluminium/coal etc.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No.  There will be some things that will be locally produced in fairly   
   >>>> short order.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> name any of them.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Water, oxygen,   
   >>   
   >   
   >they brought that with them, and the tech to produce it.   
   >   
      
   Well, of course they brought tools, you ignorant dipshit.  They're not   
   going to bring it all from Earth.   
      
   >   
   >> various other gases,   
   >   
   >like Nitrogen... which they also brought with them.   
   >   
      
   But not all of it.   
      
   >   
   >> including methane for rocket fuel.   
   >   
   >they do not need rocket fuel, because they do not need to go back to Earth.   
   >   
      
   But the ships do.   
      
   >   
   >> As a colony gets bigger it will start to pay to locally produce   
   >> metals.   
   >   
   >from melting down old supply rocketships,   
   >it is more cost effective to leave them there as scrap.   
   >   
      
   Wrong. I see why you think colonization can't work.  You think they'll   
   do it in the stupidest way possible.   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >> Try and keep up.   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>> There will be some things that will probably have to be   
   >>>> imported for a very long time.  There will have to be some new   
   >>>> industrial processes, since there will be no coal.   
   >>>   
   >>> no need, no reason to go to mars.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> If humanity listened to trolls like you we'd still be huddled in caves   
   >> eating bushes.   
   >>   
   >   
   >you missed out on the moon exploration, and you have failed to keep up   
   >with NASA R&D on what is required for Mars.   
   >   
      
   Jesus, but you're stupid.   
      
   >   
   >You keep stating the silly stuff.  Like a stoner going to drift up and   
   >live the big life on Mars like in the movies.   
   >   
   >Get  Real.   
   >or go post in     sci.fiction.for.dummies   
   >   
      
   You're crossposting to a sci.space newsgroup, you ignorant twat.  Go   
   educate yourself.  Ad hominem trolling bullshit doesn't cut it.   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> In fact, is there any information on whether mining for minerals can be   
   >>>>> done on mars ? Would there be veins of iron, bauxite, gold or some coal   
   >>>>> wrth digging for ?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Sufficient amounts of various metals for initial development are   
   >>>> available without having to do much in the way of mining.  Ores can   
   >>>> just be scraped up off the surface.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> so you have been there ? or are you just makeing stuff up ?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >   
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   >   
      
   Sure you aren't trying to make methane out of it?   
      
      
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