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   Fred J. McCall to jmfbahciv   
   Re: A smaller, faster version of the Spa   
   17 Oct 16 16:24:15   
   
   XPost: sci.space.policy, sci.physics   
   From: fjmccall@gmail.com   
      
   jmfbahciv  wrote:   
      
   >Fred J. McCall wrote:   
   >> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>In sci.physics Serigo  wrote:   
   >>>> On 10/15/2016 4:35 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:   
   >>>>> jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Except to support and grow a colony you need production which means big.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Well, eventually, but you don't have to START big.  You do just what   
   >>>>> mankind has done every other time we colonized someplace.  You start   
   >>>>> with small facilities and grow them over time, while reducing what you   
   >>>>> have to import (again over time).   
   >>>>   
   >>>> is that it ? start small and grow them ?? anything else ?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> your really not into this Mars thing are you.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>>There is no such thing as small when talking about a steel prduction   
   >>>facility carried in a rocket. The smallest excavator John Deere makes   
   >>>weighs about 2 tons.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> So about 2% of the cargo lift to Mars of one of Musk's colonization   
   >> rockets, then.  And he's talking about launching around 10 of those   
   >> per 100 people going to the colony.  Hardly a big deal.   
   >>   
   >   
   >Wouldn't redundancy make it a big deal?  In a decade, 3D printers   
   >would be very useful.   
   >   
      
   So ship two.  Musk is talking about roughly 10 cargo launches per 100   
   settlers.  That's 1,000 tons of 'stuff'.  How many excavators do you   
   need per 100 people.  And yes, being able to make parts locally with   
   3-D printers will be useful, but you'll still have to ship the 'ink'   
   for a good long while.   
      
      
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