XPost: sci.space.policy, sci.physics   
   From: invalid@invalid.com   
      
   On 10/18/2016 9:31 AM, Fred J. McCall wrote:   
   > jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:   
   >   
      
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> is that it ? start small and grow them ?? anything else ?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> your really not into this Mars thing are you.   
      
   >>>>>>> There is no such thing as small when talking about a steel prduction   
   >>>>>>> facility carried in a rocket. The smallest excavator John Deere makes   
   >>>>>>> weighs about 2 tons.   
   >>>>>>>   
      
   >>>>>> So about 2% of the cargo lift to Mars of one of Musk's colonization   
   >>>>>> rockets, then.  And he's talking about launching around 10 of those   
   >>>>>> per 100 people going to the colony.  Hardly a big deal.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> in your imagination, "no big deal"   
   >>>>>   
      
   >>>> It's not.   
   >>>   
   >>> yes it is, nothing exists yet, and you say "no big deal"   
   >>>   
   >>> you are dominated by your imagination.   
   >>>   
   >>> I'm sorry you think 2% is a big deal, but it's just not.   
   >>>   
   >>> 2% of nothing, is still nothing.   
   >>   
   >> That is 2% for 1 very tiny landscaper sized excavator.   
      
   >> How many excavators are needed to mine ice, iron, calcium deposits, if   
   >> they exist, aluminum, rock, etc. and dig foundatiions for buildings?   
   >>   
   >> How many trucks to haul the stuff the excavators dig up?   
      
   >> How many trucks to haul the finished products?   
   >>   
   >> How many trucks to haul the waste products away?   
   >>   
   >> How many trucks to haul the building materials?   
   >>   
   >> How many rock crushing machines to crush all the stuff dug up?   
   >>   
   >   
   > Now figure out what you can ship with 1,000 tons of cargo for every   
   > hundred people you send...   
   >   
   >   
      
   still no detail   
      
   you have to launch it off earth,  then land it on mars safely slowly, a   
   HUGE amount of fuel. All those rockets landing on Mars will double their   
   atmosphere, all unbreathable stuff.   
      
   and they are all one way rockets,   
      
   THe "US Occupation of Mars" will be led by Nancy Palosie and her poodle   
   dog Obama-snowser, and as much socailists, democrats,and lefties we can   
   stuff like sausages, into Muskrockets.  Trump can go too, + tape   
   Hiellary to the engine with ducktape, and BJ Bill. and their Foundation.   
      
   time to buy stock in Alcoa (rocket are made of that stuff.)   
      
   +time to take out the trash. (note: they are all politicians+lawyers)   
      
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