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|    Mikkel Haaheim to All    |
|    Re: James S.A. Corey's answer to There A    |
|    21 Oct 16 10:23:01    |
      From: mikkelhaaheim@gmail.com              Le lundi 26 septembre 2016 01:19:13 UTC+2, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw a       Ă©crit :              > >> Nope, not false. Your later simply shows that you still don't       > >> understand how a sensor system like this would work.       > >>        > >> (Hint: Think about why radar dishes move and why they can get away       > >> with not constantly staring at things.)       > >        > > Nope, still false. You can get away with terrestrial radar scanning       > > because the gaps created during military radar sweeps are generally not       > > large enough to slip aircraft through, at least not at the ranges where       > > you have reliable detection.       >        > And the gaps in an interplanetary sensors sweeps are not large enough for        > ships to slip through.              There are quite a few different kinds of "gaps" that stealth can take       advantage of. A sensor platform requires accumulation of RELIABLE signal       input. Platforms acquire input through signal source strength, detector       sensitivity, spatial signal        accumulation (collector area), and temporal signal accumulation (exposure       time). RELIABILITY is established through detection amplitude, signal duration       and/or repetition, signal contrast, multiple detection sites, etc. It is NOT       enough to simply detect        a signal. You must also rule out false positives (energy discharges produced       by the sensor equipment, localised discharge events, routine deviations in       known sources --you can't just eliminate a signal as a known target, because       intensities of        background sources tend to vary naturally as a product of physical activity in       the deep space environment, so you end up throughing out legitimate positives       as well-- , unmapped natural sources, etc.       Just considering the spatio-temporal gaps... sure, a spacecraft is not going       to move very far in terms of angular resolution during the duration of the       gap. Unfortunately, the ratio of gap to signal means that scanning can be       easily defeated by simple        pulsed emissions. Sure, occasional pulses might be detected, but without       repeated pulses at fixed intervals, you never know if you actually have a       single vessel track, or if you have numerous incidental detections of natural       sources (sunlight reflecting        off a smaller asteroid, etc). So, you say that you will just dedicate sensors       to each possible "ping"... but this can easily be defeated by increased volume       of "legitimate" transport activity.       Among the other gaps:       signal emission vector- it doesn't do any good to have the most sensitive       detectors if they are not placed in the path of the emitted energy;       signal wavelength- sensitive detectors tend to achieve sensitivity by       concentrating on specific bands of wavelength, which are useless if other       bands are being emitted instead;       low contrast- there is A LOT of background "static" out there, so you will be       virtually invisible if your emission is within the normal variation of       background signal intensities... difficult with a torchship at full burn, not       so difficult if you are        limiting emissions to even a few dozen kW (WISE can detect as little as 50 to       100 watts, RADIATED IN THE DIRECTION OF THE DETECTOR).              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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