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   Message 44,751 of 45,986   
   Ingo Siekmann to All   
   Re: Atomic Rockets Suggestion   
   09 Jan 17 15:19:16   
   
   From: ingo-siekmann@web.de   
      
   Am 04.01.2017 um 15:29 schrieb eripe:   
   > On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 8:02:22 AM UTC+7, 0something0   
   > wrote:   
      
   > Very good summary of the problem, easy to read too.   
      
   Yeah, but somehow I am skeptical about the whole thing...   
      
   Some economists say we (the west) is more or less becoming a "service   
   society", meaning that we will produce less stuff and sell more services   
   of all kind (e.g. online shops, stock brokerage) to the customers.   
   Yes, this services are also more and more automated today.   
   Economists also think that after the "service society", a "leisure   
   society" will follow - people will work very little (or not at all) and   
   the society will provide their needs. Which would be communism - or Star   
   Trek.   
   This will of course only work (pun not intended) when people and society   
   stop thinking that work, job and wealth define the status of a human being.   
      
   A change of thought like this requires time and effort. Many people do   
   not like changes at all and will fight tooth and nail to keep the things   
   like they "always" were, which maybe an explanation of trends we can   
   watch today.   
      
   I am not sure if this will work out - but one should consider that a   
   world "where nobody must work" is a very old dream...   
   The alternative could be something like the "Hunger Games" - a rich   
   neo-feudal aristocracy ruling over poor commoners. This would lead to   
   stagnation. To work, capitalism needs many consumers who buy stuff. If   
   the consumers have no money to spend, the rich will not sell stuff to   
   anybody and become poorer within short time.   
      
   And one final thought - I simply do not believe that computers or robots   
   will ever make real art. Painting something "in the style of artist X"   
   is not making original art, nor is it "writing" a pop song based on the   
   algorithms of the last 100 top ten hits.   
   A computer can only follow it's software, as complex as it may be. If he   
   does not follow his programming, you will not get art, you will get your   
   blue screen of death.   
      
   Thoughts?   
      
      
   Bye   
   Ingo   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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