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|    Re: At L1 between two black holes    |
|    05 Feb 17 15:56:44    |
      From: nuny@bid.nes              On Sunday, February 5, 2017 at 12:03:40 PM UTC-8, knha...@gmail.com wrote:       > hi hi       >        > I've been struggling with trying to model the following hypothetical       scenario,       > but it seems that it is beyond my abilities to figure out. I'm hoping that       > someone here might be able to provide an answer or at least point me in the       > right direction.               Okay, here we go...              > The scenario:       >        > An object is falling into a black hole. As the object passes the event       > horizon, another black hole approaches at relativistic speeds. For a moment,       > the object is at L1 between the two black holes, and then the two       > singularities start moving apart again into a highly elliptical orbit.               Can't happen. Either the two BHs were already co-orbiting or they're doing a       one-time mutual hyperbolic (not quite actual hyperbolics because the focus of       each BHs orbit is also moving, but still) close pass. Capture requires one or       the other to lose        momentum to some other body which then goes into a higher orbit or is ejected.       If accretion disks are present they count as "bodies".               That aside, ignore what came before and what happens later, and look at it       from the BH-system center-of-mass. You have two BHs approaching each other       relativistically while the object is falling into one of them.              > So the question is: is there any hypothetical configuration where the object       > can thrust away from the singularity, given the changing curvature of space       > time as the two singularities pass by each other?               Sure, why not? It all depends on the local geodesics available to the object       at any given time. The point, as you intuit, is that during the close pass the       geodesics are changing.              > Assuming the mass of the black hole is concentrated in the singularity (no       > fuzz balls or the like),               Doesn't matter. What matters is the geodesics available *where the object       is*.              > is it correct that: so long as the two singularities remain outside the event       > horizon of the other, there will exist world lines in which they break away       > from each other even if their respective event horizons intersect briefly?               No. If the event horizons merge at all, they stay merged. If the object was       between them when they merge it's Doomed.               If they don't, and if the object hasn't crossed the event horizon of the BH       it was falling into, the spacetime between the two BHs *might* flatten such       that the object can boost out to safety *if* it can exert enough thrust in the       right (changing as        the BHs recede from each other) direction.               If the object isn't quite exactly between them when they merge *and* if it's       moving properly (think spiraling rapidly in rather than falling straight in) I       *think* the object can use the locally flattening space between the merging       BHs to escape.               It depends on how close the object was, how close the BHs get at their       closest, and how much dv the object has available.               I'm not absolutely positive about that so don't publish it in a story and       credit me. ;>)                      Mark L. Fergerson              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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