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|    Re: Technological Recovery    |
|    09 Oct 17 19:39:22    |
      On Sunday, October 1, 2017 at 4:06:15 PM UTC-5, 0something0 wrote:       > I am creating an SF universe where a natural event threw the entire Banks       Orbital back into the (European)medieval age. However, there are physical       records of advanced technology as well as people scattered throughout the       megastructure. How fast could        technology bound back to modern times?              Realistically...they probably _couldn't_, not without help from outside.               Though it partly depends on the precise details of the situation, what is       still left behind, what is still functioning at all.               The technology has to be still working in some aspects, or the orbital is       unlikely to remain habitable for long. Ringworlds and Orbitals and Dyson       Spheres are not so much like gigantic planets as they are like gigantic       spacecraft, and they suffer some        of the same liabilities of a spacecraft when the vital systems start breaking       down.              A Ringworld (or at least _the_ Ringworld) could remain habitable for some time       after the vital systems failed, because much of it run on brute-force       approaches, and because of the sheer size of the system providing some margin       for error.              An Orbital is smaller, and thus has less margin.              Assuming habitability, if there is still an AI system or a library system with       teaching programs running somewhere, that might make a lot of difference. If       the locals can still read the written language of their ancestors, and their       ancestors left        plenty of written hard copy books and information, that will help. But there       will still be huge issues with lost 'soft knowledge' that nobody bothered to       record or even thought about.              The people scattered around, how high is their population density? What       percentage of their time and energy is spent on subsistence? Recreating a       technical society is going to require that there be enough spare resources to       justify spending time and        effort on the project. If all hands are required to bring in the crop to       avoid starvation, nobody has the free time or attention to waste time trying       to repair the Old Tech.              But a big, big issue is resources. That is, where do they get stone, metal,       wood, hydrocarbon compounds? What do they use for power?              Sinking a mine on an Orbital seems like an iffy prospect. There might be lots       of leftover metal and plastic and whatever from the Old Days, but what do they       use as an energy source to reprocess it? Wood might be available to burn, and       build with, but        wood has limits. Could you build a water-power complex out of wood? Maybe,       but it's going to be inefficient and hard at best.              Further, to harvest wood efficiently, it really helps to have access to at       least some processed metal for axes, saws, etc.              Stone can be used for that, in a pinch...but how much stone is available on a       tech-crashed Orbital? Again, they can't dig down indefinitely.              On a real planet, the biosystem is self-sustaining, and the resource base       nearly unlimited, at least in principle. On an artificial hab like an Orbital       or a Ringworld, matters are distinctly otherwise. Niven actually has Louis Wu       realize that as he        contemplates how the Ringworld could turn into a terrible trap at one point in       the first novel.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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