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|    Jack Bohn to All    |
|    Zanclean Flood...    |
|    14 Mar 18 08:32:42    |
      From: jack.bohn64@gmail.com              Noise from the flow of the water? My brother lives a few miles (kilometers)       from the Delaware River, on a tributary. During spring flooding, the roiling       against the pilings of the local bridge can be heard for the high hundreds of       meters, maybe more        than a kilometer. A fast-fill model would probably leave many obstructions.        How that would scale, I don't know. Looking at a map, his bridge looks to be       about 200m long, while the straits of Hercules looks to narrow to about 20km.        Say 100 times the        surface to make the noise, so 100 times louder? Say distance increases with       the square root of intensity, you'd hear the babbling of the Hercules river       from 10 km away.              ...Or are we talking a Gibraltar Falls scenario? Perhaps a comparisson to       Niagra rather than the Amazon would be in order.              To throw out numbers, Amazon discharges 209 thousand cubic meters/second,       Niagra 2.4 thousand cubic meters/second, or 1/9 Amazon. You say the       Mediterrainian fill flow could be 1000 Amazons, that's 9000 Niagras. Would it       be 9000 times as loud? Depends,        I guess. (For maximum sound, I would think the best design would be a series       of cataracts, each long enough for the falling water to achieve terminal       velocity.) That gives us a square root of 90. There are anecdotes of hearing       Niagra Falls from 24 to        32 km away, but that is when the wind is right and everyone shuts up; for no       good reason, I'll say at half that, 12 km it's noticeable. IF Gibraltar Falls       sounds the same 90 times further away, thats 1000 km, which covers all of       Spain. I have no        scientific reasoning behind it, but that's not a number I can believe in. But       it does bring up the earth shaking.              A month ago there was a YouTube video about making artificial earthquakes with       a four-tonne steel ball: for early seismological tests they would drop it 14       m. Alas, it doesn't give a corresponding reading, and that would be more       research than I'll do        for a stranger. (Besides, as you can see, anything I'd extrapolate from that       would have a margin of error larger than the number I'd get.)              Just a side thought: 209 thousand thousand cubic meters per second. The 20 km       wide strait, say 10.45m deep, roughly rectangular, that's 209 thousand square       meters right there, a kilometer-long slug of that has to pass in a second?        Have I slipped a        digit somewhere? Can we have a supersonic river?              Whatever the flow rate, how big a menace to oceanic navigation would this be?        Would Atlantic-facing beaches north and south see sideways currents across       them? Cyclonic and anticyclonic whirlpools?              --        -Jack               --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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