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   Message 45,439 of 45,986   
   Fred J. McCall to Thomas Koenig   
   Re: Once more into the breach: SSTO's (w   
   06 Jun 18 02:14:40   
   
   XPost: rec.arts.sf.written, sci.space.policy, sci.physics   
   From: fjmccall@gmail.com   
      
   Thomas Koenig  wrote on Wed, 6 Jun 2018   
   06:21:34 -0000 (UTC):   
      
   >Jeff Findley  schrieb:   
   >   
   >> We've had this debate a long, long time ago in the sci.space newsgroups.   
   >> The fact is that there are many stages which are theoretically capable   
   >> of performing SSTO with minimal payload.  No one has ever done it   
   >> because the cost to get that payload into orbit is typically higher than   
   >> it would be if you just used a smaller TSTO (or higher number of   
   >> stages).  In other words, it just makes no sense to fly a disposable   
   >> SSTO.   
   >   
   >There are also other considerations to take into account.   
   >   
   >One of them is mechanical. A first stage flying with a much smaller   
   >payload than the current second stage + actual payload would   
   >have much lower mass towards the end of the burn, resulting in   
   >higher acceleration and higher mechanical stress.  Buckling could   
   >be something that needed to to be guarded against, as could be   
   >outright failure due to compression stress.   
   >   
      
   If you're going for orbit you're well out of the atmosphere at the   
   'end of the burn'.  Neither of those are an issue.   
      
   >Possible solutions if it turns out to be a problem:   
   >   
   >Turn down the engine thrust (How far is that possible? Can the   
   >engines even do that? What will it do to the specific impulse?)   
   >or switch off individual engines (what happens if you swith off   
   >one half a second later than the others?).   
   >   
      
   Of course it's possible.  What do you think they do approaching max Q   
   now?  It doesn't do anything to specific impulse (do you know what   
   that means)?  It just means the engine burns longer.   
      
   >   
   >Strenghten the strucutre. This would add mass, and it would not   
   >be the same first stage anymore.   
   >   
      
   Stress on the first stage is probably higher with all that mass   
   mounted on it than it would be otherwise.   
      
      
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