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|    els.dallas@gmail.com to David Ellis    |
|    Re: Reaction Control Systems on Futurist    |
|    22 Jul 18 19:44:29    |
      On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 12:31:12 PM UTC-5, David Ellis wrote:       > These are fair points, though I have been thinking of using normal protium       rather than, say, water or helium or anything else, because of hydrogen's       superior performance as a reaction mass purely in terms of exhaust velocity,       even compared to deuterium.               >        > Deuterium is also something I've tried to avoid partly because, while I       would, indeed, be making use of helium-3/deuterium fusion for these rockets, I       would be trying to run them deuterium-lean, thus minimizing neutronic D-D       side-reactions as much as        possible. I wonder if using deuterium as a propellant that is allowed to mix       with the still extremely hot, high pressure plasma being vented from the       reactor's torus would run the risk of allowing additional D-D reactions to       occur. While this would, I        suppose, further increase the thermal energy being used to propel my reaction       mass, it would also force me to cope with an even larger amount of neutron       emissions.        >        > Let's put the choice of cryogenic hydrogen aside for the moment, though.        I'm most interested in trying to sort out what secondary thrusters make the       most sense.        >        > I was thinking of arcjets, as mentioned above, since the selection of       electrothermal rocket types seems to be a fairly short list and using an       electrical arc not limited by the melting point of a solid material, as a       resistojet would be, seems like an        obvious advantage.        >        > Granted, periodic replacements of electrodes would create some maintenance       demands, but I suppose a machine can't exist that doesn't require maintenance       at some point.        >        > Atomic Rockets, however, also has the microwave electrothermal thruster       listed under electrothermal rockets, and it seems to be something very similar       to an electrodeless version of the arcjet, in the sense that electricity is       supplied to a system that        makes physics happen and then hot plasma gets exhausted.        >        > The AR section on microwave thrusters does list water as the propellant, and       I don't know for sure if something other than water can be used, so maybe the       microwave rocket isn't automatically the best option.        >        > That said, the idea of heating a material using electromagnetic waves to       excite the reaction mass into a plasma before exhausting it through a magnetic       nozzle sounds an awful lot like VASIMR, which is also, from what I can tell,       very much an        electrodeless electrothermal/plasma rocket. So, perhaps I should just go       right ahead and settle on a VASIMR style of reaction control thruster, since I       DO know that VASIMR seems to be able to use hydrogen or other materials       instead of water.              The neutron problem does not come from the D-D reaction but from the Tritium       byproduct of 50% of the D-D reaction chain reacting with new deuterium to       create the D-T reaction which is 80% neutronic. If you run at higher       temperatures, then the He3        byproduct of the other 50% of D-D reactions will interact with either new       Deuterium or the produced Tritium. Either way, the neutronicity of the       reaction falls. If you can separate the Tritium from the D-D plasma and       prevent it from reacting, then you        will also run neutron lean.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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