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|    Re: Potential torch drives    |
|    04 Jan 19 11:09:47    |
      The 2 percent aqueous solution of uranium tetrabromide is 38 percent uranium       tetrabromide by mass. Uranium tetrabromide is over 5 times denser than water       and since acceleration is equivalent to gravity, it should separate out of       solution and collect at        the back of the propellant tanks. We are talking about enough uranium to       trigger a gigaton level explosion if it goes off.               Sure you can add enough mass to the system to fix most of the problems with       this idea, but then you will not have torch drive performance. Plus Zubrin       makes a pretty good whopper of an unproven assumption about controlling the       reaction in the chamber.        His assumption that he can limit the reaction to only happen where he wants by       controlling the propellant velocity rests on the incorrect assumption that       thermal neutrons only travel at their average velocity. When in fact there is       a velocity        distribution of fission neutrons and bunch of those neutrons will be traveling       faster than the average. This could cause the continuously detonating fission       reaction to move closer to the hull. You may not have enough time to even turn       it off before the        back of your spacecraft gets vaporized.               Simple mathematical models, which the NSWR is, do not mean that you have a       workable solution. The best that you can do is to argue that it is a promising       avenue of research that NASA should look into, but you shouldn't fool yourself       into thinking that it        is necessarily feasible. The fact that Zubrin can't convince anyone to fund       either the testing of this idea or just engineering design work should be a       giant red flag by itself.               Seriously, would you want to spend money that you were responsible for on a       wild idea whose failure mode was to vaporize a multi-billion dollar spacecraft       in the largest explosion in human history? Even if Zubrin is 95% right, a fuel       pump malfunction        could cause a multi-megaton or even gigaton explosion. And that is if you add       machinery to continuously mix the solution to keep the uranium tetrabromide       from collecting at the back of the propellant tanks.               For NASA, torch drive performance is not necessary. Torch drives don't get you       there much faster than continuous acceleration in a sub-torch engine.       Decreasing acceleration by a factor of 16, only increases maximum travel time       by a factor of 4 if both        engines accelerate continuously during the trip. Since the torch engine will       most likely cut off early and coast, the travel time increase will actually be       less than this.               On the whole this is a very risky idea with rather little payoff compared to       alternatives.               In fact it is doubtful that even a space military would find low end torch       drive performance useful.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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