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|    David Ellis to All    |
|    Re: Is it possible to use submarine as a    |
|    23 Feb 19 10:36:47    |
      From: daellis94@gmail.com              Not sure what you mean about my opinion. Was that in reference to the bit       about it being the most survivable arm of the nuclear triad?               If that's what you mean, then dont take it as simply my view. Take it as the       view of US strategic doctrine since the 1980s at least. Note that the vast       majority of the US strategic nuclear arsenal--at least in terms of striking       power--is deployed in        the form of W-76, W-87, and W-88 warheads mounted in UGM-133s aboard       Ohio-class SSBNs. Well over 1 000 strategic warheads are held by the Navy in       this capacity. Meanwhile, the Air Force holds only 450 ready warheads in 450       Minuteman III missiles at        ICBM fields in Wyoming, with each missile carrying one warhead and the AIRS       inertial navigation system developed for the LGM-118 Peacekeeper. The rest of       the warheads controlled by the USAF, at least in terms of those ready for       service and not in        reserve storage, are in the B-61 and B-83 unguided bomb and the ALCM, and off       the top of my head I can't if ALCM is still in service.               In any case, the reliance on Trident IIs over Peacekeepers, of which only 50       were ever built and all of which were withdrawn from service by 2005 despite       having a greater throw weight than the sub-launched Tridents, is because SLBMs       had become accurate        enough to strike targets with enough precision to serve in a counter-force       role (that is, hitting strategic military targets like hardened ICBM silos and       launch command bunkers) while being able to launch from much closer to a       target, drastically        reducing transit time, all while being deployed from a platform that was (and       still is) harder to intercept due to its uncertain location.               As for command posts surviving direct nuclear strikes, that's not necessarily       so likely. I mentioned command centers for ICBM units before because they ARE       likely targets for counter-force strikes, and they will not survive a direct       hit on the surface.        When the LGM-118 was under development in the MX Program, several concepts       were proposed to maximize survivability for the new weapon, which was hoped to       be deployed in such a way that the resulting MX fleet could ride out a nuclear       first strike scenario.        Those concepts included building silo fields on the southern slopes of       mountains (Soviet missiles would be following trajectories over the North       Pole, remember), super-hardened silo facilities, and even silos with       mechanical equipment to enable them to        dig themselves out after a strike.               As a general matter, the problem remained that trying to design a facility to       survive a direct nuclear blast will almost always be far more expensive than       the weapon you're trying to design against, and the cost of another warhead,       or one more powerful        one, would be far less than the cost of fortifying that facility even       further.               The accepted solution, then, was to be mobility: there were suggestions for       an ICBM to be launched from the rear of a cargo plane, and those for       truck-launched ICBMs. Ultimately, the plan was to deploy the LGM-118 from       rail cars. In times of high        alert, unmarked trains would simply roam the nation's rail networks with some       silo cars in tow. This plan was never put into action, but you can look up       photographs of Peacekeeper silo cars. In practice, the Peacekeeper was only       ever deployed in        regular silos converted from previous missiles due to budget constraints.               Bottom line, even underground facilities cant necessarily be counted on.               Some particular bunkers might be expected to withstand a nuclear strike,       possibly. Cheyenne Mountain comes to mind, but it's also worth mentioning       that one reason the Soviets kept a variant of the R-36M missile in service       with a single 25 megaton        warhead is theorized to have been for knocking out especially well-hardened       targets like Cheyenne Mountain.               Keep in mind that, even assuming the underground component remains completely       unharmed, surface elements of a facility will receive severe damage, including       any radio communications equipment that you would be using for command       purposes.               I suppose a benefit of a land facility would be that it might be better able       to handle a high volume of command post traffic and administrative functions,       but it would be more vulnerable to attack. An aircraft, mind you, won't be       vulnerable to ballistic        missiles while airborne. A downside might be the lack of radio traffic it       might be able to handle, but you've still got a command center that can ride       out the storm.              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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