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   From: psperson@old.netcom.invalid   
      
   On Mon, 11 Aug 2025 09:35:49 +1200, Your Name    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 2025-08-10 15:48:38 +0000, Paul S Person said:   
   >> On 9 Aug 2025 17:34:59 GMT, ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan )   
   >> wrote:   
   >>    
   >> > are so smart they don't have to actually know anything>   
   >>>    
   >>> Of course it's not any better when they do look at the product.   
   >>> For instance the snipping of a smoking scene and the black centauress   
   >>> from the "restored versions" of "Pecos Bill" & "Fantasia" respectively.   
   >>    
   >> Censorship. A different problem, but certainly present.   
   >>    
   >> There appear to be two approaches:   
   >> 1. Don't censor, but make it clear that the offensive material is from   
   >> an offensive time. And, in some cases of cartoon collections (I have   
   >> been told), force the viewer to explicitly select each cartoon -- to   
   >> discourage the kiddies, who shouldn't be viewing them anyway.   
   >>    
   >> 2, Do censor, and pretend nothing happened.   
   >>    
   >> I believe it was Disney who, in one of its cartoon collections aimed   
   >> at a specific decade or so (I am told, I never bought a copy) used a   
   >> later version of "The Three Little Pigs" because the Wolf in the one   
   >> from that time frame was a Jewish stereotype. Maltin (IIRC, it was   
   >> Maltin) had a feature discussing the cartoons, and /he/ showed clips   
   >> of the original Wolf, stereotypes and all.   
   >>    
   >> I have somewhere a clip (not playable using the obvious resources of   
   >> Win 11, although something may exist that can play it) of the white   
   >> lady unicorn attended by two small black unicorn maids. This was   
   >> apparently cut from the re-release which, when I saw it in the   
   >> theater, showed me that I had no actual interest in watching that sort   
   >> of thing. There truly is no accounting for taste.   
   >>    
   >> Pecos Bill got off lightly. On a different film's DVD, the entire   
   >> Hatfield/McCoy sequence was cut. Or so I read at the time. Whether the   
   >> recent re-releases actually /are/ the originals or not is unknown to   
   >> me. Disney, of course, cannot be trusted in this matter.   
   >>    
   >> There are, incidently, entire DVDs of cartoons that are no longer   
   >> acceptable in polite society. At least, that is what they claim; I've   
   >> never bought one because the quality of 3rd party cartoon disks is   
   >> generally deplorable.   
   >   
   >The same happens with books. Authors like Roald Dahl and Enid Blyton    
   >have had their stories re-edited to remove the "incorrect" bits.   :-\   
   >   
   >Often such stupidity is due to adults looking at kids' videos and books    
   >and seeing something that the kids would never even think.   
      
   Which is actually what makes some animated movies so popular: lots of   
   stuff the adults catch that sail right over the heads of the kids.   
      
   These are mostly cultural references. Thus, the film /Rango/ has a   
   character who is straight out of the Man With No Name films, and a   
   villain straight out of /Chinatown/. Adults may catch this, if they   
   have seen the other films, but small kids probably won't.    
      
   Many many other examples exist. A fairly recent one is the Tad Jones   
   films (three so far), the first one of which licensed stuff from Lucas   
   because they are very much Indana Jones movies. When I decide a film   
   is "aimed at a younger audience", I generally mean that it has no such   
   references to keep any adults watching entertained.   
   --    
   "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,   
   Who evil spoke of everyone but God,   
   Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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