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> Subject: Re: i reluctantly liked Master and Commander by peter weir.
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> On Friday, November 30, 2007 at 6:35:21 PM UTC-8, Seer Sawer wrote:
>> for me there are several strikes against a movie like Master and
>> Commander.
>> naval movies featuring wooden ship with sails recycle the same stuff
>> over and over. you have the storm scene with water splashing about
>> and someone falling into the sea. you have class tensions between
>> aristocratic and plebian types and everyone in between. you have the
>> usual clash of personalities--the enlightened, the brutish, the nasty,
>> the gentle, the wimpy, etc. you have moments of authoritarian
>> ruthlessness and near mutinous rage. you have old farts and young
>> ones. you have the thug, the saint, the intellectual, the man of
>> action, and so on. of course, this could be said of any military
>> themed movie but why do naval movies with wooden ships and sails
>> bother me extra?
>> it has a lot to do with aesthetics. maybe these ships were wonders of
>> their age but i hate the look of them. the sails are like giant
>> diapers hung out to dry, and main body of the ship looks ungainly and
>> squat with a big fat ass. i hate those pecker shaped cannons and
>> bowling balls as fodder. worse, i don't like to see pony tails on men
>> tied with gay looking ribbons. and, the uniforms are pretty gay too,
>> with those funny vests and stockings. i love the aesthetics of viking
>> ships, ancient greek and roman ships, and the like. and modern naval
>> vessels are pretty badass too. but, i never cared for the military
>> aesthetics of european nations in the 18th and 19th centuries. the
>> sight of all those gay uniformed, pony-tailed toy soldiers marching in
>> unison.... sorry, not me cupotea.
>> gimme me excalibur with its iron-clad knights. gimme the vikings of
>> 13th warrior with long flowing hair, leather and fur, and mighty
>> swords. gimme ancient greek and roman warriors with elemental grace
>> and toughness. or, gimme the cowboy with horse, saddle, and rifle. i
>> can even tolerate the pared down US cavalry in the latter part of the
>> 19th century. the main reason i rooted for al pacino and gang in
>> Revolution is because they looked less gay than the red coated
>> british.
>> this is what happens when gayness takes over a culture; it's bad
>> shit. the european aristocracy was supposed to be a class of
>> warriors but somehow grew decadent with excess privilege, wealth, and
>> leisure; they hired too many gay boys to design all them fancy suits,
>> wigs, and other tutti-frutti stuff. indeed, the most offensive thing
>> about the tim roth character in Rob Roy was his getup. we can forgive
>> him raping roy's wife.. but that wig and makeup!!
>> and, Master and Commander is no different. it has solid characters, a
>> compelling story, and many excellent moments. but, the look of the
>> whole thing puts me off; look at russell with a pony tail tied with
>> gay ribbon. and i don't think i'm alone in this as it sunk at the box
>> office.
>> but lemme try to be fair. this is a very fine, well proportioned
>> mooie. it's not a deep work of art nor reveals anything original about
>> the meaning of life, but who can ask for better hollywood
>> entertainment? it's just that, very good entertainment. it's
>> comparable to lawrence of arabia which also shouldn't be mistaken as
>> serious history or deep art. both films are hollywood action
>> spectacles at their best.
>> i never liked peter weir except for Year of Living Dangerously. weir
>> is rather like an australian steven spielberg. he knows all the tricks
>> and knows how to manipulate. at his box office best-- and artistic
>> worst--, he's a shameless manipulator, as with Witness. weir was
>> never a bad craftsman but, like ridley scott and spielberg, rarely
>> above dumbing things down for mass tastes. at times he tried to
>> balance populism with seriousness as with the semi-satirical Truman
>> Show, semi-psychological Fearless, and semi-sociological Mosquito
>> Coast. but, nearly all of his Hollywood films tilted toward shameless
>> populism. truman show, which needed to be harder edged, is essentially
>> forrest gump with a pinch of cynicism.
>> but, master and commander may be an exception. if the movie has no
>> higher or deeper meaning, it is at least true to itself--an
>> intelligent hollywood historical action movie. it works on its own
>> terms and sticks to the rules.
>> it's a solid piece of construction. weir is especially deft at
>> knitting together close ups with long shots. the movie switches back
>> and forth from sweaty furor to birdeyed views of ships lunging at one
>> another. rarely have the micro and the macro been interwoven with such
>> rhythmic ease.
>> though most of the movie is about naval strategy and non-stop action--
>> as in most such movies--, there are other welcome elements. though
>> the captain of the ship--russell crowe--is a man of action, he also
>> plays violin with his doctor friend and has myriad non-naval
>> interests. this is a richer and subtler portrayal of life on the ship
>> than most such movies. the doctor's interest in natural phenomenon
>> adds another layer of surprise and meaning to the story. perhaps,
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