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|    Lenona to Adam H. Kerman    |
|    Re: GONE WITH THE WIND (1939 as if there    |
|    13 Nov 23 13:23:48    |
      From: lenona321@yahoo.com              On Sunday, November 12, 2023 at 12:31:49 AM UTC-5, Adam H. Kerman wrote:       > Bill Anderson wrote:        >        > >In an effort to further his popular culture education I've been showing        > >classic movies to a high school kid I know, and last night I hauled out one        > >of the big guns. He is 17 years old and he had never heard of Clark Gable,        > >much less Vivian Leigh or the others. So it was time.       > This was a nice story; thanks. Glad both you and he had a wonderful        > time.        >        > >. . . and when all was said and done he didn't much care for Scarlett.        >        > Hehehehehehe        >        > She's still a great character and she does get her comeuppance more than        > once. You know, the Civil War really was a great personal inconvenience.                > That's wonderful.                       The late Roger Ebert pointed out something I had never thought of...but he was       right. (Bill may want to point this out to his friend.)              Namely, Scarlett isn't really a girl of the 1860s. Even in the book, she's a       girl of the 1930s.               Specifically, a semi-liberated teenager. (Keep in mind that women had had the       right to vote for more than a decade and had already been through the Roaring       Twenties.)              That explains a lot about her personality. In multiple ways.              Why else would she believe - early on - what the twins, her father and Mammy       herself warned her NOT to believe - that Ashley wanted to marry HER when he       was already engaged to Melanie? Why wouldn't she have pursued him for years       before the war in the        same demure, sneaky way that "proper ladies" of that time were SUPPOSED to,       instead of taking his "love" for granted?              And naturally, she causes scandal everywhere she goes, just by existing.              But more importantly, the movie doesn't make it clear that Rhett       is...practically old enough to be Scarlett's father. (He's 17 years older.) So       of COURSE she would have been turned off by him at first; it took her twelve       years to learn to love him!        Nothing strange about that.              (By the 1930s, the typical age difference between a husband and wife       was...three years. In fact, Laura Ingalls Wilder, in her 1940 book "The Long       Winter," which takes place in 1880-1881, made it look as though her future       husband was only five years older,        so as not to shock her readers. In real life, he was ten years older. Also,       the median marriage age for a woman in the 1930s was a little over 21.)               Not to mention that, in the book, Rhett was constantly making fun of her       near-illiteracy. How romantic is that?              (He also made it sound, in his marriage proposal, as if sex with him would       make it worthwhile to have unwanted babies - that is, he knew perfectly well       she didn't want them, and ignored that. Sheesh. But of course, in the movie,       her two previous children        don't exist.)              Anyone can argue that Scarlett O'Hara is not "likeable" and not someone anyone       would want as a friend or a spouse, since she's too selfish to do anything for       anyone unless there's something in it for her, but if YOU were on the losing       side of a war and        facing starvation, how hard would she be to understand/relate to, as a       character?              I.e., would you really rather be Melanie under those circumstances? I       wouldn't. Melanie only survives as long as she does because of Scarlett; even       her loving relatives wouldn't have been able to keep her fed when she was       recovering from childbirth. As        Rhett said: "She hasn't your strength. She's never had any strength. She's       never had anything but heart." Or, as Scarlett said to herself about her late       mother Ellen:               ..."Nothing, no, nothing, she taught me is of any help to me! What good will       kindness do me now? What value is gentleness? Better that I'd learned to plow       or chop cotton like a darky. Oh, Mother, you were wrong!" She did not stop to       think that Ellen's        ordered world was gone, and a brutal world had taken its place a world wherein       every standard, every value had changed. She only saw, or thought she saw,       that her mother had been wrong, and she changed swiftly to meet this new world       for which she was not        prepared...               --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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