From: john@jfeldredge.com   
      
   On Thu, 15 May 2014 18:20:47 -0400, Brenda Clough wrote:   
      
   > On 5/15/2014 4:02 PM, William Vetter wrote:   
   >> On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:19:40 PM UTC-4, bre...@sff.net wrote:   
   >>> On 5/14/2014 7:19 AM, David Friedman wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 5/13/14 10:51 PM, C. E. Gee wrote:   
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   >>>>> I've noticed, many writers have problems with dialog as they don't   
   >>>   
   >>>>> socialize with such people. Many writers graduate from college, then   
   >>>   
   >>>>> go on to fairly high-end careers, working with others of like   
   >>>   
   >>>>> backgrounds. And they socialize mostly with others of similar   
   >>>   
   >>>>> backgrounds.   
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   >>>>>   
   >>>> I expect I've socialized with a fair range, given my SCA involvement.   
   >>>> I   
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   >>>> suspect the problem is that I don't have an ear for it, don't notice   
   >>>> and   
   >>>   
   >>>> remember how different people speak.   
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   >>> It is a mistake to model your dialog upon what you see on TV or in   
   >>>   
   >>> movies -- screenwriters get big money for writing that dialog, and it   
   >>> is   
   >>>   
   >>> not like life.   
   >>>   
   >>> However, it is not difficult to hear real-life conversation.   
   >>> Restaurants   
   >>>   
   >>> and bars are good for this, especially those who do not have TVs or   
   >>> loud   
   >>>   
   >>> background music. Conventions and meetings, offices (all the time   
   >>> spent   
   >>>   
   >>> in doctors' waiting rooms can be usefully spent eavesdropping in the   
   >>>   
   >>> office staff). Public transport, movie and theater lobbies, airport   
   >>>   
   >>> lounges -- there are millions of places to hang and listen to people.   
   >>>   
   >> Go to a go go bar during the day shift.  You can study women all you   
   >> want, stare at them, and nobody will challenge you, because it's the   
   >> norm there.  Some of them are ethnic, homegirls, done a little time,   
   >> were hookers in Europe.  A lot of types that authors try to write   
   >> about.   
   >>   
   >> Learn to say "maybe later" to all of them, or it will get expensive.   
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   > And if you do that, be well aware that they are not all women, or even   
   > most women.   
   >   
   > Brenda   
      
   For that matter, if you go into certain bars, they may not actually be   
   female.   
      
   I suspect that you will find out what the customers talk about, but not   
   what the dancers talk about, because they are likely not encouraged to   
   talk much while dancing.   
      
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