From: jwkenne@attglobal.net   
      
   On 2014-05-15 22:36:51 +0000, John F. Eldredge said:   
      
   > On Thu, 15 May 2014 18:20:47 -0400, Brenda Clough wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 5/15/2014 4:02 PM, William Vetter wrote:   
   >>> On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:19:40 PM UTC-4, bre...@sff.net wrote:   
   >>>> On 5/14/2014 7:19 AM, David Friedman wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 5/13/14 10:51 PM, C. E. Gee wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> I've noticed, many writers have problems with dialog as they don't   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> socialize with such people. Many writers graduate from college, then   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> go on to fairly high-end careers, working with others of like   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> backgrounds. And they socialize mostly with others of similar   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> backgrounds.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> I expect I've socialized with a fair range, given my SCA involvement.   
   >>>>> I   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> suspect the problem is that I don't have an ear for it, don't notice   
   >>>>> and   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> remember how different people speak.   
   >>>>   
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   >>>>>   
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   >>>>   
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   >>>>   
   >>>> It is a mistake to model your dialog upon what you see on TV or in   
   >>>>   
   >>>> movies -- screenwriters get big money for writing that dialog, and it   
   >>>> is   
   >>>>   
   >>>> not like life.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> However, it is not difficult to hear real-life conversation.   
   >>>> Restaurants   
   >>>>   
   >>>> and bars are good for this, especially those who do not have TVs or   
   >>>> loud   
   >>>>   
   >>>> background music. Conventions and meetings, offices (all the time   
   >>>> spent   
   >>>>   
   >>>> in doctors' waiting rooms can be usefully spent eavesdropping in the   
   >>>>   
   >>>> office staff). Public transport, movie and theater lobbies, airport   
   >>>>   
   >>>> lounges -- there are millions of places to hang and listen to people.   
   >>>>   
   >>> Go to a go go bar during the day shift.  You can study women all you   
   >>> want, stare at them, and nobody will challenge you, because it's the   
   >>> norm there.  Some of them are ethnic, homegirls, done a little time,   
   >>> were hookers in Europe.  A lot of types that authors try to write   
   >>> about.   
   >>>   
   >>> Learn to say "maybe later" to all of them, or it will get expensive.   
   >>>   
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   >>>   
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   >>>   
   >>   
   >> And if you do that, be well aware that they are not all women, or even   
   >> most women.   
   >>   
   >> Brenda   
   >   
   > For that matter, if you go into certain bars, they may not actually be   
   > female.   
   >   
   > I suspect that you will find out what the customers talk about, but not   
   > what the dancers talk about, because they are likely not encouraged to   
   > talk much while dancing.   
      
   While they're on the stage, of course not, but between sets, they're   
   usually on their own time. Just remember that this is their job; don't   
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