From: BrendaWriter@yahoo.com   
      
   On 5/15/2014 6:48 PM, John W Kennedy wrote:   
   > On 2014-05-15 22:20:47 +0000, Brenda Clough said:   
   >   
   >> On 5/15/2014 4:02 PM, William Vetter wrote:   
   >>> On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:19:40 PM UTC-4, bre...@sff.net wrote:   
   >>>> On 5/14/2014 7:19 AM, David Friedman wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On 5/13/14 10:51 PM, C. E. Gee wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> I've noticed, many writers have problems with dialog as they don't   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> socialize with such people. Many writers graduate from college, then   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> go on to fairly high-end careers, working with others of like   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> backgrounds. And they socialize mostly with others of similar   
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   >>>>>> backgrounds.   
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   >>>>> I expect I've socialized with a fair range, given my SCA   
   >>>>> involvement. I   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> suspect the problem is that I don't have an ear for it, don't   
   >>>>> notice and   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> remember how different people speak.   
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   >>>> It is a mistake to model your dialog upon what you see on TV or in   
   >>>>   
   >>>> movies -- screenwriters get big money for writing that dialog, and   
   >>>> it is   
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   >>>> not like life.   
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   >>>> However, it is not difficult to hear real-life conversation.   
   >>>> Restaurants   
   >>>>   
   >>>> and bars are good for this, especially those who do not have TVs or   
   >>>> loud   
   >>>>   
   >>>> background music. Conventions and meetings, offices (all the time spent   
   >>>>   
   >>>> in doctors' waiting rooms can be usefully spent eavesdropping in the   
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   >>>> office staff). Public transport, movie and theater lobbies, airport   
   >>>>   
   >>>> lounges -- there are millions of places to hang and listen to people.   
   >>>>   
   >>> Go to a go go bar during the day shift. You can study women all you   
   >>> want, stare at them, and nobody will challenge you, because it's the   
   >>> norm there. Some of them are ethnic, homegirls, done a little time,   
   >>> were hookers in Europe. A lot of types that authors try to write about.   
   >>>   
   >>> Learn to say "maybe later" to all of them, or it will get expensive.   
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   >> And if you do that, be well aware that they are not all women, or even   
   >> most women.   
   >   
   > Increasingly, they are. A few years ago I saw a newspaper piece about   
   > former stockbrokers in NYC who had turned to stripping, and I just   
   > yesterday read an interview with an Eng-lit PhD (and self-identified   
   > feminist) who's decided that being a stripper not only pays several   
   > times as much as being an "adjunct", but is also more fulfilling, not to   
   > mention that it makes it easier to follow her husband if his job   
   > transfers him, and she gets more hours a day with her kids.   
   >   
      
   The very fact that there was a newspaper article about them shows that   
   they are unusual. I would no more model all female speech upon strippers   
   than I would model all male speech upon that of Chippendales.   
      
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