From: mdhangton@gmail.com   
      
   On Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:48:46 PM UTC-4, John W Kennedy wrote:   
   > On 2014-05-15 22:20:47 +0000, Brenda Clough said:   
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   > > On 5/15/2014 4:02 PM, William Vetter wrote:   
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   > >> On Wednesday, May 14, 2014 7:19:40 PM UTC-4, bre...@sff.net wrote:   
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   > >>> On 5/14/2014 7:19 AM, David Friedman wrote:   
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   > >>>> On 5/13/14 10:51 PM, C. E. Gee wrote:   
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   > >>>>> I've noticed, many writers have problems with dialog as they don't   
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   > >>>>> socialize with such people. Many writers graduate from college, then   
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   > >>>>> go on to fairly high-end careers, working with others of like   
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   > >>>>> backgrounds. And they socialize mostly with others of similar   
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   > >>>> I expect I've socialized with a fair range, given my SCA involvement. I   
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   > >>>> suspect the problem is that I don't have an ear for it, don't notice and   
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   > >>>> remember how different people speak.   
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   > >>> It is a mistake to model your dialog upon what you see on TV or in   
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   > >>> movies -- screenwriters get big money for writing that dialog, and it is   
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   > >>> not like life.   
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   > >>> However, it is not difficult to hear real-life conversation. Restaurants   
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   > >>> and bars are good for this, especially those who do not have TVs or loud   
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   > >>> background music. Conventions and meetings, offices (all the time spent   
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   > >>> in doctors' waiting rooms can be usefully spent eavesdropping in the   
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   > >>> office staff). Public transport, movie and theater lobbies, airport   
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   > >>> lounges -- there are millions of places to hang and listen to people.   
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   > >> Go to a go go bar during the day shift.  You can study women all you   
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   > >> want, stare at them, and nobody will challenge you, because it's the   
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   > >> norm there.  Some of them are ethnic, homegirls, done a little time,   
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   > >> were hookers in Europe.  A lot of types that authors try to write about.   
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   > >> Learn to say "maybe later" to all of them, or it will get expensive.   
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   > > And if you do that, be well aware that they are not all women, or even   
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   > > most women.   
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   The only difference that I would make as generalizations are   
   1) after about 2 months they have pretty much given up most of their modesty   
   2) they wouldn't do it for very long if it didn't fill some psychological need   
   for attention   
   3) a disproportionate amount of self-esteem centers around their appearance   
   4) they _want_ their customers to respond to the adult entertainment, and will   
   be disturbed when they don't   
      
   There are other things I could say, but they might only be true for some   
   subset of exotic dancer or some particular type of bar.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)