From: mdhangton@gmail.com   
      
   On Friday, May 16, 2014 10:55:42 AM UTC-4, John W Kennedy wrote:   
   > On 2014-05-16 05:39:19 +0000, William Vetter said:   
      
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   > > On Thursday, May 15, 2014 6:48:46 PM UTC-4, John W Kennedy wrote:   
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   > > The only difference that I would make as generalizations are   
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   > > 1) after about 2 months they have pretty much given up most of their   
   modesty   
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   > Physical modesty, yes, but I've been to enough bachelor parties to know    
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   > that they don't develop a pottymouth. (I suppose they can assume one on    
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   > demand.)   
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   Some years ago, I'd drink with a Wicca girl at the place a few miles from my   
   home, all black fingernails and pentagram jewelry.  She'd talk about her job   
   entirely with "wee-wee," "wah-wahs," and "woo-woo", like Mel Brooks described   
   the Freudian    
   psychosexual theory in High Anxiety.  Probably, if I didn't go along with it,   
   I'd get thrown out.   
      
   As for the opposite extreme, there are some showclubs that are essentially   
   adult entertainment complexes with a stage and a brass pole in the center, and   
   having far out conversations about sexuality with men is a part of the job,   
   and, say, using the P-   
   word as many times as possible in a line of dialog would be normal.  I almost   
   mentioned this last night, because this is the only case where I think the   
   speech pattern of say, some girl from the Hood, would be distorted by the   
   environment.  And, that is    
   the sort of person who wouldn't normally be available to me, that I'd seek out.   
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   > > 2) they wouldn't do it for very long if it didn't fill some    
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   > > psychological need for attention   
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   > > 3) a disproportionate amount of self-esteem centers around their appearance   
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   > Judging from what I see at supermarket checkouts, those are    
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   > characteristics hardly exclusive to strippers.   
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   Sure.  Models, actresses, beauticians....   
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   > > 4) they _want_ their customers to respond to the adult entertainment,    
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   > > and will be disturbed when they don't   
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   > > There are other things I could say, but they might only be true for    
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   > > some subset of exotic dancer or some particular type of bar.   
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   > The real problem is for men to learn how women behave and speak when    
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   > there are no men present.    
      
   If you go in there before about 4PM when they are not making much money,   
   become a regular customer, not have disturbing perversions, act like the adult   
   entertainment is secondary for you, you will become a fixture of their world;   
   and in some ways you    
   will.  This will not happen at a bachelor party, where they are busy   
   collecting money, competing with other women, keep distant from the men   
   because there's no bouncer....   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)