From: jhetley@hotmail.com   
      
   On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:31:31 PM UTC-4, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:   
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   > 	The easiest course -- that doesn't get into sticky judgments -- is to   
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   > stick with traditional, and "traditional" includes the Ironclad Rule:   
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   > Money flows FROM the publisher TO the author and NEVER the other way around.   
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   > 	If you want to change it, I would contend that a good yardstick would   
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   > be "has turned a profit of $X thousand on their book". Even a FAILURE of   
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   > a traditionally published book will still sell several thousand copies;   
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   > I think it's reasonable that if you as a self-publisher are going to   
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   > represent your book as being on the pro level that you show you've made   
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   > your nut back and then some.   
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   > 	Another would be "PAID sales of your book over X thousand copies, with   
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   > the price of the book being not less than Y". The latter clause   
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   > eliminates the $0.01 and freebie books. I'd set Y at $1.99 probably, but   
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   > that's a discussion thing.   
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   I'll tack on to that -- a minimal advance for a novel from a traditional   
   publisher would be in the $2000 US range.  My first advance was $5000 US.    
   Proof of an equivalent earning from self-publishing could be a place to start.   
      
   Jim   
      
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