From: julie@pascal.org   
      
   On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:21:29 PM UTC-6, Jim Hetley wrote:   
   > On Tuesday, June 3, 2014 1:31:31 PM UTC-4, Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor) wrote:   
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   > > 	The easiest course -- that doesn't get into sticky judgments -- is to   
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   > > stick with traditional, and "traditional" includes the Ironclad Rule:   
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   > > Money flows FROM the publisher TO the author and NEVER the other way   
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   > > 	If you want to change it, I would contend that a good yardstick would   
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   > > be "has turned a profit of $X thousand on their book". Even a FAILURE of   
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   > > a traditionally published book will still sell several thousand copies;   
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   > > I think it's reasonable that if you as a self-publisher are going to   
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   > > represent your book as being on the pro level that you show you've made   
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   > > your nut back and then some.   
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   > > 	Another would be "PAID sales of your book over X thousand copies, with   
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   > > the price of the book being not less than Y". The latter clause   
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   > > eliminates the $0.01 and freebie books. I'd set Y at $1.99 probably, but   
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   > > that's a discussion thing.   
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   > I'll tack on to that -- a minimal advance for a novel from a traditional   
   publisher would be in the $2000 US range.  My first advance was $5000 US.    
   Proof of an equivalent earning from self-publishing could be a place to start.   
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   But doesn't, of course, in any way resemble a single short story or flash   
   fiction sale.   
      
   -Julie   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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