From: A_Tina_Hall@kruemel.org   
      
   William Vetter   wrote:   
      
   > The first time I tried to write fiction was a bit into my second   
   > doctoral program,  and I generated a complete novel manuscript that   
   > was (you can imagine) a sort of adult juvenilia.   
      
   What's adult juvenilia?   
      
   > And then I found some of those books about writing fiction and it   
   > dawned on me that there were a catalog of things that needed to be   
   > controlled.   
      
   ?   
      
   Which things, controlled how?   
      
   > That was when I thought, "Holy shit!  This is like another degree   
   > program."  And then I knew it was ridiculous that I could have ever   
   > thought it would be anything else.   
      
   You lost me.   
      
   > And I was involved in critters.org for a while then and I'd see the   
   > different levels there, and it became clear to me that somebody who   
   > was older than around 28 would need to spend something like four   
   > years doing it full time to have the control to reliably produce   
   > manuscripts that were publishable full time.   
      
   How would four years full time writing change anything? (Except how   
   'having to' write full time may affect a person.)   
      
   > And the teenagers that write these stories where all the characters   
   > interact like people in a freshman dorm are going to take a lot   
   > longer.   
      
   Oh, so they are who write all the published books, and all TV series.   
      
   > Does anybody know anyone who sat down at a keyboard and never went   
   > through that process,   
      
   What process exactly?   
      
   > who had talent from God like Mozart is believed to have?   
      
   Which of the made-up gods are you refering to? Thor, Isis, Kali,... (The   
   list is seemingly endlesss.)   
      
   --   
   "Being raised by the secret order of not-being-very-informative   
   doesn't mean you can't tell us."   
                                         -- Ranes, Magic Earth 7/6   
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