From: ikonoqlast@gmail.com   
      
   On Thursday, July 31, 2014 11:31:00 AM UTC-7, Jacey Bedford wrote:   
      
      
   > > This is not a society, despite the fact that it is thousands of years more   
   advanced than ours, that we would call modern or 'progressive'.  They are   
   deliberately victorian and old fashioned (within limits, as they have female   
   naval officers and crew),   
    in contrast to the less advanced civilization they are dealing with here that   
   DOES look modern and progressive (to us) but which they consider backwards.   
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   > Then you just blew away your own earlier argument for (not) having    
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   > different ethnic characters. You said they could change skin colout with    
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   > technology so that ethnicity was no longer an issue, yet now you say    
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   > they have Victorian values and don't approve of body mods.   
      
      
   Some they do, others they don't.  And I NEVER said there weren't different   
   ethnic characters, I said race via skin color wasn't a thing.  The 'Empire'   
   consists of 6 notional 'kingdoms', each with its own 'ethnic ide   
   tity'(basically english, welsh, scots,    
   etc).  The other nations of Civilization also have their own regionalisms.    
   But it IS regionalism within Civilization, not race in any sense.  They   
   generally view wogs (everyone else) as *culturally/intellectuall   
   /technologically/characterally* inferior,    
   but no one does racial identity.  There just aren't any meaningful overarching   
   'races' to base it on.     
      
   That's Civilization though.  Wogs have other ideas...  Sometimes, and with   
   varying targets.   
      
      
      
   > Besides ethnicity is more than just skin colour. What about heritage,    
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   > culture, religion, social history, political history? Just becaise    
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   > someone has decided that yellow and blue striped skin is the in look    
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   > this year doesn't mean to say that they have forgotten that their    
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   > ancestors were Zulu.   
      
      
      
   It's set 6000 in the future.  Tell me, what were YOUR ancestors doing 6000   
   years ago?  Do you know?  Do you CARE?  Would it be relevant to you in any   
   way?     
      
   They HAVE regionalisms on every scale, but not what you're getting at.     
      
      
      
      
      
      
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