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   Message 143,497 of 144,800   
   Bill Swears to Nicky   
   Re: Self pub or Indy pub?   
   02 Sep 14 23:35:24   
   
   From: wswears@gci.net   
      
   On 9/2/2014 1:11 AM, Nicky wrote:   
   > On Tuesday, September 2, 2014 3:37:54 AM UTC+1, Jacey Bedford wrote:   
   >> On 01/09/2014 14:25, Nicky wrote:   
   >   
   >> Even if you don't have a better offer you can turn down a desultory one   
   >>   
   >> with a clear conscience.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Can't Mic make an exception for this? It's not as if she doesn't deal   
   >>   
   >> with children's fic.   
   >   
   > She didn't like this book. It is very young probably 8-12 and lacks any of   
   the features she likes in my   
   > writing. It was deliberately stripped back and straight forward.   
   >>   
   >> Just a thought:   
   >>   
   >> Tell the publisher that's made the offer that you had really hoped for   
   >>   
   >> an advance and for some input into the cover style. Ask if they can   
   >>   
   >> offer better terms (that gives you some wibble time as they'll have to   
   >>   
   >> think about it). If they won't deal then ask for time to consider. Even   
   >>   
   >> if they will deal then still ask for time to consider.   
   >>   
   > Yes I've done that.   
   >>   
   >> In the meantime write to all the other places you've sent it to and say   
   >>   
   >> you have an offer on the table, but your preference would really be to   
   >>   
   >> go with [them] and you would appreciate a fast response.   
   >>   
   > Yes I've done that too. One came back with a very prompt 'no' and I'm still   
   waiting to hear from two others.   
   >>   
   >> Or send it quickly to a major house. If they don't like simsubs send a   
   >>   
   >> query instead, i.e. a query letter and the first three chapters. Be   
   >>   
   >> upfront. Tell them you have an offer from an indie publisher   
   >   
   > I had thought about this but they really only deal with agented writers and   
   I don't want to pull in favours for a book I don't actually care that much   
   about.   
   >>   
   >> I once accidentally sim-subbed to HarperCollins and Gollancz. Yes it   
   >>   
   >> really was accidental. HC had had the MS for over a year and I got a   
   >>   
   >> message from a friend to say that the editor at Golly was willing to   
   >>   
   >> take a look, so I emailed HC to withdraw the MS and sent it to Golly.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Next thing I know HC said they were considering it and it had been   
   >>   
   >> passed on to a senior editor.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> i.e. as soon as they knew someone else was interested they hauled it out   
   >>   
   >> of the slush pile and started reading quickly.   
   >   
   >> As it turned out neither bought it - but DAW did.   
   > Well, the book was good, Jacey, and a piece of work you had faith in.   
   >>   
   > This was really about me trying to monetise my personal slush pile of old   
   material. So I didn't approach the market in a remotely rational way. If I'm   
   honest, I didn't expect anyone to want it or I might have done my thinking   
   first rather than after    
   the fact : )   
   >   
   > Nicky   
   >   
   There are folks making it in self-publishing.  I attended a meeting of   
   Alaska Writers Guild with a woman who has made a lot of money self   
   publishing.  She writes 20,000 words, puts it online for a buck or so,   
   then when she has 80,000 words strung to together in the same storyline,   
   she repackages it as an 80,000 word novel and resells the collection at   
   $4.99, if I recall correctly. Her novel of choice is semi-erotic series   
   about vampires assassins.  I can't say whether they're vampires who are   
   assassins, or people who hunt vampires, or what.   
      
   Just found the book she gave away that night.  She's Jackie Ivie.  I'd   
   never heard of her, but she said she makes a couple thousand a month on   
   ebook sales, has a steady audience, and it has pumped up her actual   
   paperback sales.  She handed out old copies of an anthology called   
   Highland Hunger. That one is led by somebody named Hannah Howell, and   
   she seems to have a whole series about Highland Vampires from a few   
   centuries ago.   
      
   Anyway, I'm thinking that if you don't make huge waves, and you   
   contribute to your ebook trove regularly, you might gain a   
   semi-permanent audience, or even a regularly growing one.   
      
   A lesson I need to learn for myself.   
      
   Bill   
      
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