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   John W Kennedy to David Goldfarb   
   Re: What is in a name?   
   24 Sep 14 16:19:02   
   
   From: jwkenne@attglobal.net   
      
   On 2014-09-24 06:03:33 +0000, David Goldfarb said:   
      
   > In article <3pylluhy7bic$.19h69es1baqu4$.dlg@40tude.net>,   
   > Brian M. Scott  wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 04:43:35 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt   
   >>  wrote in   
   >>  in rec.arts.sf.composition:   
   >>   
   >>> In article <1hgutqmra3ic1$.smijpa0m5g7z.dlg@40tude.net>,   
   >>> Brian M. Scott  wrote:   
   >>   
   >> [...]   
   >>   
   >>>> A classical version of this is Ὄυτις (Outis) 'Nobody', the   
   >>>> alias used by Odysseus when he fought the Cyclops   
   >>>> Polyphē“mos.   
   >>   
   >> [...]   
   >>   
   >>> In the cave of Polyphemos, on the other hand, he names   
   >>> himself Ouden, "Nobody."   
   >>   
   >> I mentioned that incident above.  However, the sources   
   >> available to me at the moment agree that he used    
   >> 'Nobody', not  'Good-for-nothing'.   
   >   
   > It was indeed Outis.  At one point he invents an accusative   
   > case form "Outin" to make it sound more like a name -- the   
   > accusative of the pronoun "outis" being "outina".   
   >   
   > Another classical person-in-disguise that comes to my mind is   
   > Achilles, who was forced by his mother to hide from being drafted   
   > by the Greek army.  On the isle of Skyros he pretended to be a   
   > girl named "Pyrrha".  This would be an interesting reference to   
   > use on a man:  demeaning, because of the reference to cross-dressing,   
   > but at the same time flattering because of the reference to the   
   > mighty warrior.   
      
   What about "Nemo"? If you're talking Early Modern, even alternate Early   
   Modern, Latin comes before Greek.   
      
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   John W Kennedy   
   "The blind rulers of Logres   
   Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."   
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