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   Dorothy J Heydt to mdhangton@gmail.com   
   Re: To be interesting   
   24 Nov 14 02:34:01   
   
   From: djheydt@kithrup.com   
      
   In article ,   
   William Vetter   wrote:   
   >Dorothy J Heydt explained on 11/23/2014 :   
   >> In article ,   
   >> William Vetter   wrote:   
   >>> Dorothy J Heydt was thinking very hard :   
   >>>> In article ,   
   >>>> William Vetter   wrote:   
   >>>>> It happens that J.Pascal formulated :   
   >>>>>> On Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:44:48 PM UTC-7, William Vetter wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Some time ago, I read one of those books...this one was about openings.   
   >>>>>>> It's thesis was the belief that it is possible to write an opening so   
   >>>>>>> strong, that editors, literary agents, readers, publishing executives   
   >>>>>>> are compelled to read on.  One of the examples mentioned the   
   >>>>>>> assassination of JFK in the first sentence.  Author claimed that this   
   >>>>>>> made it so interesting that people MUST read it.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> What I thought was that, "There are a lot of books about JFK.  Why   
   >>>>>>> should I read this one?"   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Of course, we want to be interesting, the get the quality of being   
   >>>>>>> interesting.  What do you think makes a fragment or piece of writing   
   >>>>>>> interesting?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I think it's different for different people.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Your example is a good one.  Lots of people would think, Oh, JFK again?   
   >>>>>> Yawn.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> "The first time I died I..."  might get an, Oh! More!, or else it might   
   >>>>>> get,  Ew, gimmick much?  Or else, yawn, vampire, right?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I don't think that the question itself, of how to craft that one   
   >>>>>> beginning  that is so strong that no one can put it down, is   
   particularly   
   >>>>>> valid.   Obviously the creature does not exist.  I think that it might   
   be   
   >>>>>> more  useful  to think in terms of who am I writing for and how do I get   
   >>>>>> my  audience not to  set the book down.  If my audience begins and ends   
   >>>>>> at  "agent, publisher's  slush reader and Editor" that's a particular   
   >>>>>> challenge, and frankly the only  one that doesn't have cover art to help   
   >>>>>> you out.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> Once I read a short story in one of the 4 magazines.  I only remember   
   >>>>> the opening.  It was one of those flash forward openings.  A character   
   >>>>> shot another character's Roman nose off with a pistol because the nose   
   >>>>> annoyed him.  I remember it because it was obvious as a hook.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Was it interesting?  Maybe.  It was violent action.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I think I would've closed the book, or paged through the   
   >>>> magazine, at that point, and my reaction would've been not Yawn   
   >>>> but Yucch.   
   >>>   
   >>> I don't remember what or who it was, but it was in F&SF around 1980.   
   >>> What I was getting at is you can often see where somebody equates raw   
   >>> violence or action or grisly crime scene descriptions with the concept   
   >>> of hook.   
   >>   
   >> Lawrence Block, who back in the day wrote lots of whodunits and   
   >> also wrote a monthly essay for one of the writers' magazines on   
   >> how to write fiction (generally, everything else in the book was   
   >> about how to write nonfiction and how to sell it to the editor   
   >> before you had written it).  One of his essays was titled "Let's   
   >> Hear It for Sex and Violence!"   
   >   
   >Are you talking about _How to Write Killer Fiction_?   
   >I don't think there's anything about nonfiction in that.   
      
   No, I mean the magazine in which his essays originally appeared.   
   Writers' Digest, I *think*.  I haven't read _HtWKF_, but I have a   
   couple of his other collections.   
      
   At least, I think I still have them; haven't looked in my shelves   
   lately.   
      
      
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   Dorothy J. Heydt   
   Vallejo, California   
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