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   J.Pascal to William Vetter   
   Re: trope/motif/cliche   
   12 Apr 15 15:11:26   
   
   From: julie@pascal.org   
      
   On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 3:56:48 PM UTC-6, William Vetter wrote:   
   > What do you think is the difference between these in SF?   
   >   
   > There is a website TV Tropes.  It has some science fictional stuff   
   > listed in it, and a lot of people on internet cite it when they talk   
   > about SF cliches.  I don't think the word "trope" is used correctly   
   > there.  I don't think it appeared in the OED as a synonym for motif   
   > until 2007.  Trope = motif doesn't appear in many dictionaries.  I   
   > haven't seen trope = cliche in any dictionary.   
      
      
   Trope is used on TV Tropes such that it might be applied to a single   
   instance.  Which I think is absurd, but the site isn't supposed to be deep,   
   it's supposed to be funny.   
      
   Also, for one thing, there's nothing wrong with a trope or with using a   
   trope.  Sort of like archtype.  They're useful.   
      
   Contrast cliche or stereotype... they might exist "for a reason" but are   
   generally experienced as lazy and usually inaccurate.  "No, I don't have to   
   actually explain how this guy is the villian... didn't you notice that he's a   
   priest?"   
      
   -Julie   
      
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