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|    J.Pascal to William Vetter    |
|    Re: trope/motif/cliche    |
|    12 Apr 15 15:11:26    |
      From: julie@pascal.org              On Sunday, April 12, 2015 at 3:56:48 PM UTC-6, William Vetter wrote:       > What do you think is the difference between these in SF?       >       > There is a website TV Tropes. It has some science fictional stuff       > listed in it, and a lot of people on internet cite it when they talk       > about SF cliches. I don't think the word "trope" is used correctly       > there. I don't think it appeared in the OED as a synonym for motif       > until 2007. Trope = motif doesn't appear in many dictionaries. I       > haven't seen trope = cliche in any dictionary.                     Trope is used on TV Tropes such that it might be applied to a single       instance. Which I think is absurd, but the site isn't supposed to be deep,       it's supposed to be funny.              Also, for one thing, there's nothing wrong with a trope or with using a       trope. Sort of like archtype. They're useful.              Contrast cliche or stereotype... they might exist "for a reason" but are       generally experienced as lazy and usually inaccurate. "No, I don't have to       actually explain how this guy is the villian... didn't you notice that he's a       priest?"              -Julie              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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