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   Dorothy J Heydt to mdhangton@gmail.com   
   Re: trope/motif/cliche   
   02 Jul 15 18:42:51   
   
   From: djheydt@kithrup.com   
      
   In article ,   
   William Vetter   wrote:   
   >Michelle Bottorff wrote:   
   >> William Vetter  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> J.Pascal wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Contrast cliche or stereotype... they might exist "for a reason" but are   
   >>>> generally experienced as lazy and usually inaccurate.  "No, I don't have   
   >>>> to actually explain how this guy is the villian... didn't you notice   
   >>>> that he's a priest?"   
   >>>>   
   >>> That's a tradition.  In _The Canterbury Tales_, Chaucer has the   
   >>> Alchemist-Priest, and in the Summoner's Tale, we learn the place in   
   >>> Hell for friars is up Satan's asshole.   
   >>   
   >> I thought that was exactly what she was complaining about.  Doing   
   >> something because "it's a tradition" and for no other reason, and not   
   >> bothering to support the underlying reality of it in the story.   
   >   
   >I was thinking the other day that Grendel breaks into the mead hall at   
   >night to slaughter thanes because he is a monster, and when we are   
   >confronted with a monster, the reader wants the brutal Viking Beowulf.   
   >That is what we call storytelling, and what we call writing is when we   
   >give Beowulf a crippled wife and a hound with three legs; and we give   
   >Grendel a backstory in which his mother the witch molested him and fed   
   >him spoiled weasel meat.   
      
   Grendel's backstory is that he is hereditarily cursed, being   
   descended from Cain.  He can't live with the descendants of Seth   
   (Adam's third son) in comfort and light, and his envy drives him   
   to malice and destruction.  You may not care for the theology,   
   but you can understand the psychology.   
      
   --   
   Dorothy J. Heydt   
   Vallejo, California   
   djheydt at gmail dot com   
   Should you wish to email me, you'd better use the gmail edress.   
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