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   John F. Eldredge to Brian M. Scott   
   Re: trope/motif/cliche   
   03 Jul 15 02:05:29   
   
   From: john@jfeldredge.com   
      
   On Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:05:41 -0400, Brian M. Scott wrote:   
      
   > On Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:46:31 GMT, Dorothy J Heydt    
   > wrote in in rec.arts.sf.composition:   
   >   
   > [...]   
   >   
   >> A Viking is a Norseman who lives on his farm most of the year, but once   
   >> the crops are planted and he has nothing much to do till harvest time,   
   >> outfits his ship, calls in his friends, and sails down the _vik_   
   >> (fjord) to raid, trade, or both.   
   >   
   > ( is 'inlet, small bay', not 'fjord'.)  The etymology of    
   > 'pirate, freebooter', later 'robber, highwayman', is unclear.   
   > Derivation from , with the original sense 'freebooter who lies in   
   > wait in inlets', is one very reasonable possibility, but there is also   
   > evidence against it: Old English  'pirate' occurs already in the   
   > 8th century applied to sea raiders on the Saxon Shore, before the Viking   
   > period, and the apparently cognate Old High German personal name   
   >  also occurs in the 8th century. There’s also an Old Frisian   
   > cognate or borrowing with the sense 'pirate'.   
   >   
   > [...]   
   >   
   > Brian   
      
   Waiting in an inlet for a vessel to come along the coast was the standard   
   pirate technique in many cultures, and still is in some parts of the   
   world.  In the days before modern navigation instruments, the standard   
   sailing technique was to travel in the approximately-right direction   
   until you came into view of land, and then travel along the coast until   
   you got to your destination.  Hiding in an inlet meant that a vessel   
   traveling along the coast couldn't see you until it got close.  The   
   pirate vessel then would pursue the target (merchant vessels tended to be   
   slower, as the fast vessels used by pirates and navies had limited cargo   
   space).   
      
   Also, Old English, Saxon, Old High German, and the Scandinavian languages   
   are all linguistic cousins.  So, it isn't surprising that a term cognate   
   to "viking" would exist in all of them.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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