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   Dorothy J Heydt to willreich_77@yahoo.com   
   Re: Linguistic voice woes   
   16 Oct 15 13:20:23   
   
   From: djheydt@kithrup.com   
      
   In article ,   
   Will in New Haven   wrote:   
   >On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 1:49:13 PM UTC-4, John W Kennedy wrote:   
   >> On 2015-10-15 04:59:35 +0000, daveorchanian@gmail.com said:   
   >>   
   >> > On Friday, July 10, 2015 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-7, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:   
   >> >   
   >> >> Hmmm, word order.  Master Yoda's utterances have elicited a lot   
   >> >> of humorous comments, but he's just basically using Russian word   
   >> >> order, verb-final.  (You can observe this by watching _Alekxandr   
   >> >> Nevsky_ with the English subtitles that were obviously written by   
   >> >> a native speaker of Russian who didn't know English *quite* as   
   >> >> well as he thought he did.)   
   >> >   
   >> > If you want to look at OSV order, look at such Brazilian languages as   
   >> > Xavante. Or at the Romance language Sardinian . . .   
   >>   
   >> All six possible word orders are found in natural languages, but OSV   
   >> and OVS are less common.   
   >>   
   >   
   >In my fictional languages, Chop is a Pidgin with SVO word order but it   
   >is descended mostly from Shai, in which the form of the noun or pronoun   
   >tells you its function in the sentence and the word order is simply   
   >choice. Chop got its word order and some of its vocabulary from Mothi.   
      
   Well. you'll recall that Tolkien invented Quenya with the   
   phonology of Finnish, because he tought it was beautiful, and   
   Sincarin with the phonology of Welsh, because he thought that was   
   beautiful, and then had the fun of figuring out how over   
   millennia Sindarin developed from Quenya -- which took some   
   doing, because their real-world analogs aren't related at all.   
   And he gave Sindarin umlaut plurals, e.g. the word for "man":   
   Quenya _atan_, pl. _atani_  Sindarin _adan_, pl. _edain_.   
      
   --   
   Dorothy J. Heydt   
   Vallejo, California   
   djheydt at gmail dot com   
      
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