From: djheydt@kithrup.com   
      
   In article ,   
   Will in New Haven   wrote:   
   >On Friday, October 16, 2015 at 9:30:02 AM UTC-4, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:   
   >> In article ,   
   >> Will in New Haven   wrote:   
   >> >On Thursday, October 15, 2015 at 1:49:13 PM UTC-4, John W Kennedy wrote:   
   >> >> On 2015-10-15 04:59:35 +0000, daveorchanian@gmail.com said:   
   >> >>   
   >> >> > On Friday, July 10, 2015 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-7, Dorothy J Heydt wrote:   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> >> Hmmm, word order.  Master Yoda's utterances have elicited a lot   
   >> >> >> of humorous comments, but he's just basically using Russian word   
   >> >> >> order, verb-final.  (You can observe this by watching _Alekxandr   
   >> >> >> Nevsky_ with the English subtitles that were obviously written by   
   >> >> >> a native speaker of Russian who didn't know English *quite* as   
   >> >> >> well as he thought he did.)   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > If you want to look at OSV order, look at such Brazilian languages as   
   >> >> > Xavante. Or at the Romance language Sardinian . . .   
   >> >>   
   >> >> All six possible word orders are found in natural languages, but OSV   
   >> >> and OVS are less common.   
   >> >>   
   >> >   
   >> >In my fictional languages, Chop is a Pidgin with SVO word order but it   
   >> >is descended mostly from Shai, in which the form of the noun or pronoun   
   >> >tells you its function in the sentence and the word order is simply   
   >> >choice. Chop got its word order and some of its vocabulary from Mothi.   
   >>   
   >> Well. you'll recall that Tolkien invented Quenya with the   
   >> phonology of Finnish, because he tought it was beautiful, and   
   >> Sincarin with the phonology of Welsh, because he thought that was   
   >> beautiful, and then had the fun of figuring out how over   
   >> millennia Sindarin developed from Quenya -- which took some   
   >> doing, because their real-world analogs aren't related at all.   
   >> And he gave Sindarin umlaut plurals, e.g. the word for "man":   
   >> Quenya _atan_, pl. _atani_  Sindarin _adan_, pl. _edain_.   
   >   
   >You are correct, I _do_ recall most of that. In my unpublished fiction   
   >and my roleplaying setting the languages are important in that you could   
   >find yourself in a fight if you ordered a drink in the wrong language in   
   >a bar in the right part of Flower City or Old Meos. At my age, though, I   
   >stay out of bars.   
      
   And I never got into them.   
      
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   Dorothy J. Heydt   
   Vallejo, California   
   djheydt at gmail dot com   
      
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