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   From: dtravel@sonic.net   
      
   On 3/28/2024 9:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:   
   > On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:44:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 3/27/2024 4:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:   
   >>> Keith F. Lynch  wrote:   
   >>>> Tim Illingworth  wrote:   
   >>>>> Cryptoengineer wrote:   
   >>>>>> Regardless of nigglined edge cases, the point remains.  Russia has   
   >>>>>> been invaded many times in history, while the US mainland has not.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> December 1814 not count?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I think you mean August of that year.  More recently there was an   
   >>>> invasion of Pennsylvania in June and July 1863.   
   >>>   
   >>> 1814 definitely counts, although we really needed a new capitol building   
   >>> anyway.   
   >>>   
   >>> The 1863 invasion is kind of a special case because it depends on whether   
   >>> you define the invaders as US citizens or not.  Since the war was about   
   >>> who was a citizen and who wasn't, and the US won, I think it fair to define   
   >>> them as rebellious citizens.  My Confederate-supporting high school history   
   >>> teacher would not do so, however.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Some might also count January 2021.  Is it an invasion of all   
   >>>> participants were US citizens?  One person there was carrying the   
   >>>> flag of the nation (not US state) of Georgia, though he was probably   
   >>>> just confused.   
   >>>   
   >>> Does not count, for the same reason that 1863 unpleasantness doesn't.   
   >>   
   >> Agreed, insurrection is not invasion.   
   >   
   > I find it amazing how many people are still niggling about this.   
   >   
   > Why is it so hard to believe that Russia, given its situation, has   
   > been invaded more often than the USA? Is there a contest on to see   
   > which country has been invaded most often? Is there a prize at stake?   
   >   
   > As to Jan 6 2021 -- if Trump is/was, in fact, an agent of Putin (as   
   > many of his supporters appear to be, given their eagerness to gift   
   > Putin Ukraine), then it was not an insurrection -- it was treason,   
   > pure and simple.   
   >   
   > The interesting question is whether States can use their newly granted   
   > authority to bar candidates from local office (but not for   
   > President/VP) can bar candidates from Senate and House races? Although   
   > they are part of the Federal gummint, they /do/ represent the State,   
   > after all.   
      
   With the current SC they will try to rule such that MAGA people cannot   
   be barred but everyone else can be.  :P   
      
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