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   From: psperson@old.netcom.invalid   
      
   On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:44:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler   
    wrote:   
      
   >On 3/27/2024 4:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:   
   >> Keith F. Lynch  wrote:   
   >>> Tim Illingworth  wrote:   
   >>>> Cryptoengineer wrote:   
   >>>>> Regardless of nigglined edge cases, the point remains.  Russia has   
   >>>>> been invaded many times in history, while the US mainland has not.   
   >>>   
   >>>> December 1814 not count?   
   >>>   
   >>> I think you mean August of that year.  More recently there was an   
   >>> invasion of Pennsylvania in June and July 1863.   
   >>    
   >> 1814 definitely counts, although we really needed a new capitol building   
   >> anyway.   
   >>    
   >> The 1863 invasion is kind of a special case because it depends on whether   
   >> you define the invaders as US citizens or not.  Since the war was about   
   >> who was a citizen and who wasn't, and the US won, I think it fair to define   
   >> them as rebellious citizens.  My Confederate-supporting high school history   
   >> teacher would not do so, however.   
   >>    
   >>> Some might also count January 2021.  Is it an invasion of all   
   >>> participants were US citizens?  One person there was carrying the   
   >>> flag of the nation (not US state) of Georgia, though he was probably   
   >>> just confused.   
   >>    
   >> Does not count, for the same reason that 1863 unpleasantness doesn't.   
   >   
   >Agreed, insurrection is not invasion.   
      
   I find it amazing how many people are still niggling about this.   
      
   Why is it so hard to believe that Russia, given its situation, has   
   been invaded more often than the USA? Is there a contest on to see   
   which country has been invaded most often? Is there a prize at stake?   
      
   As to Jan 6 2021 -- if Trump is/was, in fact, an agent of Putin (as   
   many of his supporters appear to be, given their eagerness to gift   
   Putin Ukraine), then it was not an insurrection -- it was treason,   
   pure and simple.   
      
   The interesting question is whether States can use their newly granted   
   authority to bar candidates from local office (but not for   
   President/VP) can bar candidates from Senate and House races? Although   
   they are part of the Federal gummint, they /do/ represent the State,   
   after all.   
   --    
   "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,   
   Who evil spoke of everyone but God,   
   Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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