XPost: rec.arts.sf.written   
   From: psperson@old.netcom.invalid   
      
   On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 14:44:57 -0700, Dimensional Traveler   
    wrote:   
      
   >On 3/28/2024 9:21 AM, Paul S Person wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:44:51 -0700, Dimensional Traveler   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>    
   >>> On 3/27/2024 4:03 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:   
   >>>> Keith F. Lynch  wrote:   
   >>>>> Tim Illingworth  wrote:   
   >>>>>> Cryptoengineer wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Regardless of nigglined edge cases, the point remains.  Russia has   
   >>>>>>> been invaded many times in history, while the US mainland has not.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> December 1814 not count?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I think you mean August of that year.  More recently there was an   
   >>>>> invasion of Pennsylvania in June and July 1863.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> 1814 definitely counts, although we really needed a new capitol building   
   >>>> anyway.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The 1863 invasion is kind of a special case because it depends on whether   
   >>>> you define the invaders as US citizens or not.  Since the war was about   
   >>>> who was a citizen and who wasn't, and the US won, I think it fair to   
   define   
   >>>> them as rebellious citizens.  My Confederate-supporting high school   
   history   
   >>>> teacher would not do so, however.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Some might also count January 2021.  Is it an invasion of all   
   >>>>> participants were US citizens?  One person there was carrying the   
   >>>>> flag of the nation (not US state) of Georgia, though he was probably   
   >>>>> just confused.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Does not count, for the same reason that 1863 unpleasantness doesn't.   
   >>>   
   >>> Agreed, insurrection is not invasion.   
   >>    
   >> I find it amazing how many people are still niggling about this.   
   >>    
   >> Why is it so hard to believe that Russia, given its situation, has   
   >> been invaded more often than the USA? Is there a contest on to see   
   >> which country has been invaded most often? Is there a prize at stake?   
   >>    
   >> As to Jan 6 2021 -- if Trump is/was, in fact, an agent of Putin (as   
   >> many of his supporters appear to be, given their eagerness to gift   
   >> Putin Ukraine), then it was not an insurrection -- it was treason,   
   >> pure and simple.   
   >>    
   >> The interesting question is whether States can use their newly granted   
   >> authority to bar candidates from local office (but not for   
   >> President/VP) can bar candidates from Senate and House races? Although   
   >> they are part of the Federal gummint, they /do/ represent the State,   
   >> after all.   
   >   
   >With the current SC they will try to rule such that MAGA people cannot    
   >be barred but everyone else can be.  :P   
      
   That's not what they ruled so far -- for purely local offices, at   
   least.   
   --    
   "Here lies the Tuscan poet Aretino,   
   Who evil spoke of everyone but God,   
   Giving as his excuse, 'I never knew him.'"   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)