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   "Cryptoengineer"  wrote in message   
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   > On 4/3/2024 9:07 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:   
   >> Scout  wrote:   
   >>> Are you saying they can't act to defend themselves from terrorists, that   
   >>> such criminals should remain at large to continue their rein of terror?   
   >>>   
   >>> So tell me, how would you go about dealing with these terrorists?   
   >>>   
   >>> Because allowing them to continue.. isn't a valid option.   
   >>   
   >> And killing civilians doesn't help matters.   
   >>   
   >> You've got crazy idealogues on both sides promoting the war.  Neither   
   >> Netanyahu nor Haniyeh care anything about peace, they just want to win   
   >> (whatever that means to them).  Then you have thousands of innocent   
   >> people   
   >> on both sides being caught in the crossfire.  It's not the fault of any   
   >> of those people and they don't deserve what is happening to them.   
   >>   
   >> I don't have a solution to this... but I also think that continuing to   
   >> toss bombs isn't going to fix anything.  And I think that if people keep   
   >> doing the same thing they have been doing for the past sixty years that   
   >> they will get the same result that they have been getting for the past   
   >> sixty years.   
   >> --scott   
   >   
   > I completely agree that Israel doesn't have to continue to tolerate   
   > Hamas lobbing rockets into Israel. No nation could, and it has a right   
   > to try to stop it. Certainly the invasion and massacre must be   
   > responded to.   
   >   
   > Actions speak louder than words.   
   >   
   > When I look at the Netanyahu government's actions, as opposed to   
   > its public statements, I get a strong impression that there is an   
   > unspoken agenda to force the entire Arab population to leave Gaza   
   > altogether, by making the place uninhabitable.   
      
   Well, they have to deal with the terrorists and that means taking steps to   
   do so. Yes, that means there is a fallout for the civilian population.   
      
   > Generally speaking, these actions are those that harm and punish   
   > the civilian population, rather than targeting Hamas specifically.   
      
   Typical in any warfare. To deny supplies to the combat forces usually   
   requires you to deny supplies to everyone.. otherwise the military forces   
   will simply get their supplies from the population.   
      
   > They include:   
   >   
   > * Cutting off food and water to the entire population. This   
   > in particular supports my concern - it an extremely blunt weapon.   
   > * Use of indiscriminate long distance weapons - missiles,   
   > bombs, and artillery, which take down entire buildings.   
   > * Deliberate demolition of cleared buildings.   
      
   Well, when the enemy is using them as bases, shelter and points for attack..   
   if they are empty, then removing them denies any use by the enemy. If you   
   don't think that isn't a regular part of warfare.. then you're sadly   
   ignorant.   
      
      
   > Israel could have pursued far more targeted and less   
   > destructive approach, albeit at the cost of more IDF deaths.   
      
   And why should the IDF allow more deaths than needed?   
      
   > Netanyhu's actions suggest that he actually would prefer   
   > to expel all Palestinians, not just from Gaza, but from   
   > the West Bank as well.   
      
   Well since the Palestinians are the problem, as there is no Palestine to be   
   a member of, and historically Palestine was merely and area in which Jews   
   had settlements, then to remove all Palestinians would required the Jews   
   remove themselves from their homeland. A fact noted in the prophet   
   Mohammad's writings which noted that Palestine was the home of the Jews   
   since the start of time.   
      
   No, what they are trying to remove are terrorists that believe they have a   
   right to the lands of the Jews and will stop at nothing including genocide   
   to obtain it.   
      
   So how do you bargain with such people? They have certainly tried time and   
   time again.. only to be regularly attacked without cause or warning.   
      
   As you said, actions speak louder than words and Hamas has repeatedly shown   
   by their actions that co-existence is not possible with them around.   
      
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