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   From: petertrei@gmail.com   
      
   On 4/8/2024 7:45 AM, Scout wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   > "Cryptoengineer"  wrote in message   
   > news:uujsju$if7$1@dont-email.me...   
   >> On 4/3/2024 9:07 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:   
   >>> Scout  wrote:   
   >>>> Are you saying they can't act to defend themselves from terrorists,   
   >>>> that   
   >>>> such criminals should remain at large to continue their rein of terror?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So tell me, how would you go about dealing with these terrorists?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Because allowing them to continue.. isn't a valid option.   
   >>>   
   >>> And killing civilians doesn't help matters.   
   >>>   
   >>> You've got crazy idealogues on both sides promoting the war.  Neither   
   >>> Netanyahu nor Haniyeh care anything about peace, they just want to win   
   >>> (whatever that means to them).  Then you have thousands of innocent   
   >>> people   
   >>> on both sides being caught in the crossfire.  It's not the fault of any   
   >>> of those people and they don't deserve what is happening to them.   
   >>>   
   >>> I don't have a solution to this... but I also think that continuing to   
   >>> toss bombs isn't going to fix anything.  And I think that if people keep   
   >>> doing the same thing they have been doing for the past sixty years that   
   >>> they will get the same result that they have been getting for the past   
   >>> sixty years.   
   >>> --scott   
   >>   
   >> I completely agree that Israel doesn't have to continue to tolerate   
   >> Hamas lobbing rockets into Israel. No nation could, and it has a right   
   >> to try to stop it. Certainly the invasion and massacre must be   
   >> responded to.   
   >>   
   >> Actions speak louder than words.   
   >>   
   >> When I look at the Netanyahu government's actions, as opposed to   
   >> its public statements, I get a strong impression that there is an   
   >> unspoken agenda to force the entire Arab population to leave Gaza   
   >> altogether, by making the place uninhabitable.   
   >   
   > Well, they have to deal with the terrorists and that means taking steps   
   > to do so. Yes, that means there is a fallout for the civilian population.   
   >   
   >> Generally speaking, these actions are those that harm and punish   
   >> the civilian population, rather than targeting Hamas specifically.   
   >   
   > Typical in any warfare. To deny supplies to the combat forces usually   
   > requires you to deny supplies to everyone.. otherwise the military   
   > forces will simply get their supplies from the population.   
   >   
   >> They include:   
   >>   
   >> * Cutting off food and water to the entire population. This   
   >> in particular supports my concern - it an extremely blunt weapon.   
   >> * Use of indiscriminate long distance weapons - missiles,   
   >> bombs, and artillery, which take down entire buildings.   
   >> * Deliberate demolition of cleared buildings.   
   >   
   > Well, when the enemy is using them as bases, shelter and points for   
   > attack.. if they are empty, then removing them denies any use by the   
   > enemy. If you don't think that isn't a regular part of warfare.. then   
   > you're sadly ignorant.   
      
   War has Laws.   
      
   The denial of food and water to non-combatants as a weapon of war is   
   a war crime.   
      
   "The right to food in situations of armed conflict: The legal framework"   
   https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/assets/files/other/irrc-844-pejic.pdf   
      
   Note that this was written in 2001, and is not a reaction to the   
   situation in Gaza.   
      
   The Netanyahu government is engaged in war crimes.   
      
   pt   
      
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