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   From: petertrei@gmail.com   
      
   On 4/10/2024 7:48 AM, Scout wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   > "Cryptoengineer"  wrote in message   
   > news:uv4n3q$hn30$2@dont-email.me...   
   >> On 4/8/2024 7:45 AM, Scout wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> "Cryptoengineer"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:uujsju$if7$1@dont-email.me...   
   >>>> On 4/3/2024 9:07 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:   
   >>>>> Scout  wrote:   
   >>>>>> Are you saying they can't act to defend themselves from   
   >>>>>> terrorists, that   
   >>>>>> such criminals should remain at large to continue their rein of   
   >>>>>> terror?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> So tell me, how would you go about dealing with these terrorists?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Because allowing them to continue.. isn't a valid option.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> And killing civilians doesn't help matters.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You've got crazy idealogues on both sides promoting the war.  Neither   
   >>>>> Netanyahu nor Haniyeh care anything about peace, they just want to win   
   >>>>> (whatever that means to them).  Then you have thousands of innocent   
   >>>>> people   
   >>>>> on both sides being caught in the crossfire.  It's not the fault of   
   >>>>> any   
   >>>>> of those people and they don't deserve what is happening to them.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I don't have a solution to this... but I also think that continuing to   
   >>>>> toss bombs isn't going to fix anything.  And I think that if people   
   >>>>> keep   
   >>>>> doing the same thing they have been doing for the past sixty years   
   >>>>> that   
   >>>>> they will get the same result that they have been getting for the past   
   >>>>> sixty years.   
   >>>>> --scott   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I completely agree that Israel doesn't have to continue to tolerate   
   >>>> Hamas lobbing rockets into Israel. No nation could, and it has a right   
   >>>> to try to stop it. Certainly the invasion and massacre must be   
   >>>> responded to.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Actions speak louder than words.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> When I look at the Netanyahu government's actions, as opposed to   
   >>>> its public statements, I get a strong impression that there is an   
   >>>> unspoken agenda to force the entire Arab population to leave Gaza   
   >>>> altogether, by making the place uninhabitable.   
   >>>   
   >>> Well, they have to deal with the terrorists and that means taking   
   >>> steps to do so. Yes, that means there is a fallout for the civilian   
   >>> population.   
   >>>   
   >>>> Generally speaking, these actions are those that harm and punish   
   >>>> the civilian population, rather than targeting Hamas specifically.   
   >>>   
   >>> Typical in any warfare. To deny supplies to the combat forces usually   
   >>> requires you to deny supplies to everyone.. otherwise the military   
   >>> forces will simply get their supplies from the population.   
   >>>   
   >>>> They include:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> * Cutting off food and water to the entire population. This   
   >>>> in particular supports my concern - it an extremely blunt weapon.   
   >>>> * Use of indiscriminate long distance weapons - missiles,   
   >>>> bombs, and artillery, which take down entire buildings.   
   >>>> * Deliberate demolition of cleared buildings.   
   >>>   
   >>> Well, when the enemy is using them as bases, shelter and points for   
   >>> attack.. if they are empty, then removing them denies any use by the   
   >>> enemy. If you don't think that isn't a regular part of warfare.. then   
   >>> you're sadly ignorant.   
   >>   
   >> War has Laws.   
   >   
   > Yes, but terrorists do not. By their actions Hamas has violated every   
   > rule of warfare.   
   >   
   >> The denial of food and water to non-combatants as a weapon of war is   
   >> a war crime.   
   >   
   > Except this isn't a war. It's a police action against criminals..   
   > specifically terrorists.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Note that this was written in 2001, and is not a reaction to the   
   >> situation in Gaza.   
   >   
   > Doesn't matter... the matter in Gaza isn't a war and thus doesn't apply.   
   >   
   >> The Netanyahu government is engaged in war crimes.   
   >   
   > How can they been committing war crimes where there is no war?   
      
   Not a war? Why isn't it a war?   
      
   First, you're demonstrating utter moral bankruptcy if you   
   think that simply saying its 'not a war' makes starving   
   non-combatants OK.   
      
   Second, Netanyahu describes this as a war:   
   https://youtu.be/3TbC_i0rlmM?t=432   
   Is he wrong?   
      
   Finally, if you can twist your morals enough to make starving children   
   to death seem justifiable, then, to be consistent, you'd have to be   
   cool with the Nazi's starvation of the Warsaw ghetto - that even had   
   'terrorists' - the ZOB and ZZW (Jewish underground fighters) opposing   
   the Nazis.   
      
   pt   
      
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