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   From: petertrei@gmail.com   
      
   On 4/10/2024 11:06 AM, Scout wrote:   
   >   
   >   
   > "Cryptoengineer"  wrote in message   
   > news:uv67m9$10ni2$1@dont-email.me...   
   >> On 4/10/2024 7:48 AM, Scout wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> "Cryptoengineer"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:uv4n3q$hn30$2@dont-email.me...   
   >>>> On 4/8/2024 7:45 AM, Scout wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "Cryptoengineer"  wrote in message   
   >>>>> news:uujsju$if7$1@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>>> On 4/3/2024 9:07 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:   
   >>>>>>> Scout  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> Are you saying they can't act to defend themselves from   
   >>>>>>>> terrorists, that   
   >>>>>>>> such criminals should remain at large to continue their rein of   
   >>>>>>>> terror?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> So tell me, how would you go about dealing with these terrorists?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Because allowing them to continue.. isn't a valid option.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And killing civilians doesn't help matters.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You've got crazy idealogues on both sides promoting the war.   
   >>>>>>> Neither   
   >>>>>>> Netanyahu nor Haniyeh care anything about peace, they just want   
   >>>>>>> to win   
   >>>>>>> (whatever that means to them).  Then you have thousands of   
   >>>>>>> innocent people   
   >>>>>>> on both sides being caught in the crossfire.  It's not the fault   
   >>>>>>> of any   
   >>>>>>> of those people and they don't deserve what is happening to them.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I don't have a solution to this... but I also think that   
   >>>>>>> continuing to   
   >>>>>>> toss bombs isn't going to fix anything.  And I think that if   
   >>>>>>> people keep   
   >>>>>>> doing the same thing they have been doing for the past sixty   
   >>>>>>> years that   
   >>>>>>> they will get the same result that they have been getting for the   
   >>>>>>> past   
   >>>>>>> sixty years.   
   >>>>>>> --scott   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I completely agree that Israel doesn't have to continue to tolerate   
   >>>>>> Hamas lobbing rockets into Israel. No nation could, and it has a   
   >>>>>> right   
   >>>>>> to try to stop it. Certainly the invasion and massacre must be   
   >>>>>> responded to.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Actions speak louder than words.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> When I look at the Netanyahu government's actions, as opposed to   
   >>>>>> its public statements, I get a strong impression that there is an   
   >>>>>> unspoken agenda to force the entire Arab population to leave Gaza   
   >>>>>> altogether, by making the place uninhabitable.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Well, they have to deal with the terrorists and that means taking   
   >>>>> steps to do so. Yes, that means there is a fallout for the civilian   
   >>>>> population.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Generally speaking, these actions are those that harm and punish   
   >>>>>> the civilian population, rather than targeting Hamas specifically.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Typical in any warfare. To deny supplies to the combat forces   
   >>>>> usually requires you to deny supplies to everyone.. otherwise the   
   >>>>> military forces will simply get their supplies from the population.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> They include:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> * Cutting off food and water to the entire population. This   
   >>>>>> in particular supports my concern - it an extremely blunt weapon.   
   >>>>>> * Use of indiscriminate long distance weapons - missiles,   
   >>>>>> bombs, and artillery, which take down entire buildings.   
   >>>>>> * Deliberate demolition of cleared buildings.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Well, when the enemy is using them as bases, shelter and points for   
   >>>>> attack.. if they are empty, then removing them denies any use by   
   >>>>> the enemy. If you don't think that isn't a regular part of   
   >>>>> warfare.. then you're sadly ignorant.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> War has Laws.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes, but terrorists do not. By their actions Hamas has violated every   
   >>> rule of warfare.   
   >>>   
   >>>> The denial of food and water to non-combatants as a weapon of war is   
   >>>> a war crime.   
   >>>   
   >>> Except this isn't a war. It's a police action against criminals..   
   >>> specifically terrorists.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>> Note that this was written in 2001, and is not a reaction to the   
   >>>> situation in Gaza.   
   >>>   
   >>> Doesn't matter... the matter in Gaza isn't a war and thus doesn't apply.   
   >>>   
   >>>> The Netanyahu government is engaged in war crimes.   
   >>>   
   >>> How can they been committing war crimes where there is no war?   
   >>   
   >> Not a war? Why isn't it a war?   
   >   
   > Simple, to be a war then Hamas would have to comply with the rules of   
   > warfare. They didn't, they aren't and they won't.   
   >   
   > Hence.. they are criminals under those same rules and thus the rules   
   > don't apply.   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> First, you're demonstrating utter moral bankruptcy if you   
   >> think that simply saying its 'not a war' makes starving   
   >> non-combatants OK.   
   >   
   > Ok.. who hides behind "human shields" otherwise known as the civilian   
   > population? Terrorists, aka criminals   
   >   
   > Who locates command facilities in, under or near hospitals? Terrorists   
   > aka criminals   
   >   
   > Who starts a conflict without warning? Terrorists aka criminals   
   >   
   > What uniform does Hamas wear to identify they aren't civilians? None,   
   > because they are terrorists.   
      
   Who strips away the link that proves that the Netanyahu government   
   regards this as a war? As I said, you're morally bankrupt, 'Scout'.   
      
   War crimes by one side do not excuse war crimes by the other.   
      
   pt   
      
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