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"Cryptoengineer" wrote in message
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> On 4/10/2024 11:06 AM, Scout wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Cryptoengineer" wrote in message
>> news:uv67m9$10ni2$1@dont-email.me...
>>> On 4/10/2024 7:48 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Cryptoengineer" wrote in message
>>>> news:uv4n3q$hn30$2@dont-email.me...
>>>>> On 4/8/2024 7:45 AM, Scout wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Cryptoengineer" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:uujsju$if7$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 9:07 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>>>>>>> Scout wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Are you saying they can't act to defend themselves from
>>>>>>>>> terrorists, that
>>>>>>>>> such criminals should remain at large to continue their rein of
>>>>>>>>> terror?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So tell me, how would you go about dealing with these terrorists?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because allowing them to continue.. isn't a valid option.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And killing civilians doesn't help matters.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You've got crazy idealogues on both sides promoting the war.
>>>>>>>> Neither
>>>>>>>> Netanyahu nor Haniyeh care anything about peace, they just want to
>>>>>>>> win
>>>>>>>> (whatever that means to them). Then you have thousands of innocent
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> on both sides being caught in the crossfire. It's not the fault of
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> of those people and they don't deserve what is happening to them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have a solution to this... but I also think that continuing
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> toss bombs isn't going to fix anything. And I think that if people
>>>>>>>> keep
>>>>>>>> doing the same thing they have been doing for the past sixty years
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> they will get the same result that they have been getting for the
>>>>>>>> past
>>>>>>>> sixty years.
>>>>>>>> --scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I completely agree that Israel doesn't have to continue to tolerate
>>>>>>> Hamas lobbing rockets into Israel. No nation could, and it has a
>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>> to try to stop it. Certainly the invasion and massacre must be
>>>>>>> responded to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actions speak louder than words.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I look at the Netanyahu government's actions, as opposed to
>>>>>>> its public statements, I get a strong impression that there is an
>>>>>>> unspoken agenda to force the entire Arab population to leave Gaza
>>>>>>> altogether, by making the place uninhabitable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, they have to deal with the terrorists and that means taking
>>>>>> steps to do so. Yes, that means there is a fallout for the civilian
>>>>>> population.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Generally speaking, these actions are those that harm and punish
>>>>>>> the civilian population, rather than targeting Hamas specifically.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Typical in any warfare. To deny supplies to the combat forces usually
>>>>>> requires you to deny supplies to everyone.. otherwise the military
>>>>>> forces will simply get their supplies from the population.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They include:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * Cutting off food and water to the entire population. This
>>>>>>> in particular supports my concern - it an extremely blunt weapon.
>>>>>>> * Use of indiscriminate long distance weapons - missiles,
>>>>>>> bombs, and artillery, which take down entire buildings.
>>>>>>> * Deliberate demolition of cleared buildings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, when the enemy is using them as bases, shelter and points for
>>>>>> attack.. if they are empty, then removing them denies any use by the
>>>>>> enemy. If you don't think that isn't a regular part of warfare.. then
>>>>>> you're sadly ignorant.
>>>>>
>>>>> War has Laws.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but terrorists do not. By their actions Hamas has violated every
>>>> rule of warfare.
>>>>
>>>>> The denial of food and water to non-combatants as a weapon of war is
>>>>> a war crime.
>>>>
>>>> Except this isn't a war. It's a police action against criminals..
>>>> specifically terrorists.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Note that this was written in 2001, and is not a reaction to the
>>>>> situation in Gaza.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter... the matter in Gaza isn't a war and thus doesn't
>>>> apply.
>>>>
>>>>> The Netanyahu government is engaged in war crimes.
>>>>
>>>> How can they been committing war crimes where there is no war?
>>>
>>> Not a war? Why isn't it a war?
>>
>> Simple, to be a war then Hamas would have to comply with the rules of
>> warfare. They didn't, they aren't and they won't.
>>
>> Hence.. they are criminals under those same rules and thus the rules
>> don't apply.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> First, you're demonstrating utter moral bankruptcy if you
>>> think that simply saying its 'not a war' makes starving
>>> non-combatants OK.
>>
>> Ok.. who hides behind "human shields" otherwise known as the civilian
>> population? Terrorists, aka criminals
>>
>> Who locates command facilities in, under or near hospitals? Terrorists
>> aka criminals
>>
>> Who starts a conflict without warning? Terrorists aka criminals
>>
>> What uniform does Hamas wear to identify they aren't civilians? None,
>> because they are terrorists.
>
> Who strips away the link that proves that the Netanyahu government
> regards this as a war? As I said, you're morally bankrupt, 'Scout'.
just because I don't accept your BS.. I'm morally bankrupt? LOL
>
> War crimes by one side do not excuse war crimes by the other.
Again, you would first have to have a war. What we have is a terrorist
action.
The Israel are perfectly justified in the actions they are taking against
Hamas..
However, let's say this is a war being conducted under the articles of war.
Then any armed individual not in uniform can be summarily executed on the
spot.
Any adult individual can be detained and imprisoned for the duration of the
conflict without cause or trial.
Any identified members or suspected members of Hamas not in uniform can be
summarily executed on the spot.
If Hamas sets up a command post, occupies or conducts military operations in
or near a hospital, church, or similar structure then Israel is legally
justified to destroy such a structure and everyone in, on, or around it.
That if it can be shown that humanitarian aid is found being used by Hamas
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