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   From: tppm@ca.rr.com   
      
   On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 08:09:53 -0400, "Scout"   
    wrote:   
      
   >   
   >   
   >"Cryptoengineer"  wrote in message   
   >news:uv6afo$11eot$1@dont-email.me...   
   >> On 4/10/2024 11:06 AM, Scout wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> "Cryptoengineer"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:uv67m9$10ni2$1@dont-email.me...   
   >>>> On 4/10/2024 7:48 AM, Scout wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> "Cryptoengineer"  wrote in message   
   >>>>> news:uv4n3q$hn30$2@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>>> On 4/8/2024 7:45 AM, Scout wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> "Cryptoengineer"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>> news:uujsju$if7$1@dont-email.me...   
   >>>>>>>> On 4/3/2024 9:07 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> Scout  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> Are you saying they can't act to defend themselves from   
   >>>>>>>>>> terrorists, that   
   >>>>>>>>>> such criminals should remain at large to continue their rein of   
   >>>>>>>>>> terror?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> So tell me, how would you go about dealing with these terrorists?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Because allowing them to continue.. isn't a valid option.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> And killing civilians doesn't help matters.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You've got crazy idealogues on both sides promoting the war.   
   >>>>>>>>> Neither   
   >>>>>>>>> Netanyahu nor Haniyeh care anything about peace, they just want to   
   >>>>>>>>> win   
   >>>>>>>>> (whatever that means to them).  Then you have thousands of innocent   
   >>>>>>>>> people   
   >>>>>>>>> on both sides being caught in the crossfire.  It's not the fault of   
   >>>>>>>>> any   
   >>>>>>>>> of those people and they don't deserve what is happening to them.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> I don't have a solution to this... but I also think that continuing   
   >>>>>>>>> to   
   >>>>>>>>> toss bombs isn't going to fix anything.  And I think that if people   
   >>>>>>>>> keep   
   >>>>>>>>> doing the same thing they have been doing for the past sixty years   
   >>>>>>>>> that   
   >>>>>>>>> they will get the same result that they have been getting for the   
   >>>>>>>>> past   
   >>>>>>>>> sixty years.   
   >>>>>>>>> --scott   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I completely agree that Israel doesn't have to continue to tolerate   
   >>>>>>>> Hamas lobbing rockets into Israel. No nation could, and it has a   
   >>>>>>>> right   
   >>>>>>>> to try to stop it. Certainly the invasion and massacre must be   
   >>>>>>>> responded to.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Actions speak louder than words.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> When I look at the Netanyahu government's actions, as opposed to   
   >>>>>>>> its public statements, I get a strong impression that there is an   
   >>>>>>>> unspoken agenda to force the entire Arab population to leave Gaza   
   >>>>>>>> altogether, by making the place uninhabitable.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Well, they have to deal with the terrorists and that means taking   
   >>>>>>> steps to do so. Yes, that means there is a fallout for the civilian   
   >>>>>>> population.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Generally speaking, these actions are those that harm and punish   
   >>>>>>>> the civilian population, rather than targeting Hamas specifically.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Typical in any warfare. To deny supplies to the combat forces usually   
   >>>>>>> requires you to deny supplies to everyone.. otherwise the military   
   >>>>>>> forces will simply get their supplies from the population.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> They include:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> * Cutting off food and water to the entire population. This   
   >>>>>>>> in particular supports my concern - it an extremely blunt weapon.   
   >>>>>>>> * Use of indiscriminate long distance weapons - missiles,   
   >>>>>>>> bombs, and artillery, which take down entire buildings.   
   >>>>>>>> * Deliberate demolition of cleared buildings.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Well, when the enemy is using them as bases, shelter and points for   
   >>>>>>> attack.. if they are empty, then removing them denies any use by the   
   >>>>>>> enemy. If you don't think that isn't a regular part of warfare.. then   
   >>>>>>> you're sadly ignorant.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> War has Laws.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Yes, but terrorists do not. By their actions Hamas has violated every   
   >>>>> rule of warfare.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> The denial of food and water to non-combatants as a weapon of war is   
   >>>>>> a war crime.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Except this isn't a war. It's a police action against criminals..   
   >>>>> specifically terrorists.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Note that this was written in 2001, and is not a reaction to the   
   >>>>>> situation in Gaza.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Doesn't matter... the matter in Gaza isn't a war and thus doesn't   
   >>>>> apply.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> The Netanyahu government is engaged in war crimes.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> How can they been committing war crimes where there is no war?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Not a war? Why isn't it a war?   
   >>>   
   >>> Simple, to be a war then Hamas would have to comply with the rules of   
   >>> warfare. They didn't, they aren't and they won't.   
   >>>   
   >>> Hence.. they are criminals under those same rules and thus the rules   
   >>> don't apply.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> First, you're demonstrating utter moral bankruptcy if you   
   >>>> think that simply saying its 'not a war' makes starving   
   >>>> non-combatants OK.   
   >>>   
   >>> Ok.. who hides behind "human shields" otherwise known as the civilian   
   >>> population? Terrorists, aka criminals   
   >>>   
   >>> Who locates command facilities in, under or near hospitals? Terrorists   
   >>> aka criminals   
   >>>   
   >>> Who starts a conflict without warning? Terrorists aka criminals   
   >>>   
   >>> What uniform does Hamas wear to identify they aren't civilians? None,   
   >>> because they are terrorists.   
   >>   
   >> Who strips away the link that proves that the Netanyahu government   
   >> regards this as a war? As I said, you're morally bankrupt, 'Scout'.   
   >   
   > just because I don't accept your BS.. I'm morally bankrupt? LOL   
   >   
   >>   
   >> War crimes by one side do not excuse war crimes by the other.   
   >   
   >Again, you would first have to have a war. What we have is a terrorist   
   >action.   
      
   Okay, if you won't admit that there's a war (despite extensive   
   evidence to the contrary) how about crimes against humanity (which,   
   arguably, are worse)?   
      
   >   
   >The Israel are perfectly justified in the actions they are taking against   
   >Hamas..   
   >   
   >However, let's say this is a war being conducted under the articles of war.   
   >   
   >Then any armed individual not in uniform can be summarily executed on the   
   >spot.   
   >Any adult individual can be detained and imprisoned for the duration of the   
   >conflict without cause or trial.   
   >Any identified members or suspected members of Hamas not in uniform can be   
   >summarily executed on the spot.   
   >If Hamas sets up a command post, occupies or conducts military operations in   
      
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