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   From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca   
      
   In article ,   
   The Last Doctor   wrote:   
   >On 12/01/2025 09:42, John Hall wrote:   
   >> In message , Dimensional Traveler   
   >>  writes   
   >>> On 1/11/2025 1:00 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:   
   >>>> Dimensional Traveler  wrote:   
   >>>>> On 1/11/2025 10:09 AM, anim8rfsk wrote:   
   >>>>>> John Hall  wrote:   
   >>>>>>> In message , The True Doctor   
   >>>>>>>  writes   
   >>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>> This stupid imbecilic degeneracy was copied by the moron Steven   
   >>>>>>>> Moffat   
   >>>>>>>> for the character of the 12th Doctor and that finally killed the   
   >>>>>>>> series   
   >>>>>>>> off completely after Capaldi got Clara killed for nothing after   
   >>>>>>>> making   
   >>>>>>>> both characters not get on with each other and then got Bill Potts   
   >>>>>>>> killed off for nothing as well, as well as Capaldi. Oh, and don't   
   >>>>>>>> forgery he effectively killed off Amy and Rory too.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I always felt that the rationale for the Doctor not being able to   
   >>>>>>> rescue   
   >>>>>>> Amy and Rory because for some tenuous reason he couldn't visit NY   
   >>>>>>> at the   
   >>>>>>> particular time they'd been sent to didn't really hold weather. He   
   >>>>>>> could   
   >>>>>>> visit some earlier time or different place and arrange for a   
   >>>>>>> message to   
   >>>>>>> be sent to them, telling them to take a train to, say, Chicago, where   
   >>>>>>> he'd be able to pick them up.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Agreed, there had to be some workarounds. At least they could have   
   >>>>>> brought   
   >>>>>> some up and explained why they wouldn’t work.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> I thought it was that those time-shifted by the Angels could never time   
   >>>>> travel afterwards.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>  No, they were just trapped in a zone that the doctor couldn’t go to.   
   >>>>   
   >>> Can someone remind/enlighten me on _why_ The Doctor couldn't go there?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> I don't recall that a convincing explanation was ever given. I suspect   
   >> that even Steven Moffat didn't know. It was just that a way had to be   
   >> found to write out Amy and Rory, and this was what he came up with.   
   >>   
   >> [Least relevant ng trimmed]   
   >   
   >Moern Doctor Who seems to have adopted a sort of "probability collapse"   
   >model  for time travel (except when the writers break their rules).   
   >Events are changeable, but become fixed for a specific observer once   
   >they are observed by that observer. (In addition to the "fixed points in   
   >time" that Time Lords perceive in some unexplained manner and are   
   >immutable - except when the writers choose to break their rules ["The   
   >Fires of Pompeii"]).   
   >   
   >In this case, once the Doctor had seen Amy and Rory's names on   
   >gravestones, their lifetimes were set. So although the Doctor COULD   
   >technically visit them again, he couldn't imperil them or take them off   
   >though time and space, for fear of unravelling the Web of Time.   
   >   
   >That's as close to a "reasonable" explanation as I can come up with.   
   >   
      
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