From: bap@shrdlu.com   
      
   On 2026-01-18, Lawrence D’Oliveiro  wrote:   
   > On 18 Jan 2026 12:18:42 GMT, Bernard Peek wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2026-01-18, Evelyn C. Leeper  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> On 1/17/26 17:50, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The natural order (to humans, anyway) is commonly called   
   >>>> “phonebook” order.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>    
   >>>   
   >>> This assumes there is a single, natural order.   
   >>   
   >> No, it assumes that the user knows what the standard order is.   
   >   
   > Is there some assumption that I meant there could only be one   
   > “phonebook” order? Obviously phonebooks in different countries/regions   
   > use whatever the local order is, that the residents of that   
   > country/region are used to. That’s why I said “natural order”.   
      
   There is no single natural order.  Expecting there to be one and only one   
   natural sequence is an error.  If you want a specific collation you should   
   have to explicitly specify it. For printed reports it would be good-practice   
   to print the collation used. "Phonebook" is the name of one of America's   
   local standards.   
      
      
      
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   Bernard Peek   
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