From: evelynchimelisleeper@gmail.com   
      
   On 1/19/26 05:09, Gary R. Schmidt wrote:   
   > On 18/01/2026 09:50, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 16:15:22 -0500, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Yes, there are international standards. But when someone put a bunch   
   >>> of names in a spreadsheet and asked to have it sorted, it would   
   >>> blithely ignore those standards, and sort 'ch' as 'c' followed by   
   >>> 'h'.   
   >>   
   >> That depends on your spreadsheet. The natural order (to humans,   
   >> anyway) is commonly called “phonebook” order.   
   >>   
   >> > unicode-order/87503/4>   
   >   
   > Whose 'phonebook????   
   >   
   > I remember adapting our SOUNDEX implementation back in the 1980s to   
   > (sensibly) deal with non-English names.  (At least I'd had a lot of   
   > practice with all the Greek migrants we had here in Oz, I remember   
   > ringing a friend from school and asking him to ask his parents, "What   
   > was the longest Greek surname they remembered?"  :-) )   
      
   My birth name (as you might guess from by email address) is "Chimelis".   
   When I went to Puerto Rico and wanted to contact relatives, I was   
   constantly having problems, because when I went to the phonebook (an   
   actual, physical phonebook) I could never find any Chimelises--until I   
   remember, "Oh, yes, 'ch' is after all the other words starting with   
   'c'." (FWIW, both Spanish and English are official languages in Puerto   
   Rico.)   
      
   --   
   Evelyn C. Leeper, http://leepers.us/evelyn   
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