From: tppm@ca.rr.com   
      
   On 1/19/2026 6:56 AM, Bernard Peek wrote:   
   > On 2026-01-19, Gary R. Schmidt  wrote:   
   >> On 18/01/2026 09:50, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   >>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 16:15:22 -0500, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> Yes, there are international standards. But when someone put a bunch   
   >>>> of names in a spreadsheet and asked to have it sorted, it would   
   >>>> blithely ignore those standards, and sort 'ch' as 'c' followed by   
   >>>> 'h'.   
   >>>   
   >>> That depends on your spreadsheet. The natural order (to humans,   
   >>> anyway) is commonly called “phonebook” order.   
   >>>   
   >>>    
   >>   
   >> Whose 'phonebook????   
   >>   
   >> I remember adapting our SOUNDEX implementation back in the 1980s to   
   >> (sensibly) deal with non-English names.  (At least I'd had a lot of   
   >> practice with all the Greek migrants we had here in Oz, I remember   
   >> ringing a friend from school and asking him to ask his parents, "What   
   >> was the longest Greek surname they remembered?"  :-) )   
   >   
   > There are cultures where full names include a concatenated list of ancestral   
   > names.   
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   I've heard of people using Scandinavian patronymics (the system still   
   used in Iceland) like that, going back three or four generations (/or to   
   the first one going back who was famous/).   
      
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