From: bap@shrdlu.com   
      
   On 2026-01-19, Gary R. Schmidt  wrote:   
   > On 18/01/2026 09:50, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   >> On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 16:15:22 -0500, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> Yes, there are international standards. But when someone put a bunch   
   >>> of names in a spreadsheet and asked to have it sorted, it would   
   >>> blithely ignore those standards, and sort 'ch' as 'c' followed by   
   >>> 'h'.   
   >>   
   >> That depends on your spreadsheet. The natural order (to humans,   
   >> anyway) is commonly called “phonebook” order.   
   >>   
   >>    
   >   
   > Whose 'phonebook????   
   >   
   > I remember adapting our SOUNDEX implementation back in the 1980s to   
   > (sensibly) deal with non-English names.  (At least I'd had a lot of   
   > practice with all the Greek migrants we had here in Oz, I remember   
   > ringing a friend from school and asking him to ask his parents, "What   
   > was the longest Greek surname they remembered?"  :-) )   
      
   There are cultures where full names include a concatenated list of ancestral   
   names.   
      
      
      
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